National Review: The Unseen Faces of the Men’s Rights Movement

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2022-12-07T14:02:40+00:00

A very positive article in a main stream publication. Progress, slow and steady.

TrilIias · 2022-12-07T09:15:51+00:00

Overall a rather good article.

I would disagree with how this is phrased:

Not all men’s rights activists — a broad label used to describe members of an amorphous movement — are as thoughtful as Peter. There are noxious online chatrooms that are genuinely harmful. In August 2021, Reddit banned the forum “Men Going Their Own Way” (MGTOW) which boasted white-nationalist users. Incels (involuntary celibates), another offshoot of the so-called Manosphere, have been responsible for terrorist attacks in America and Canada.

The supposed connection between solutions-oriented men’s rights activists and the violent lunatics who commit mass shootings is “nonexistent,” Peter said.

“Incels don’t have any real crossover with men’s rights activists, and we have a ban-on-sight policy for the far Right. Academic papers on the ‘Manosphere’ are an education in how thoroughly the activists have embedded themselves in sociology and gender studies,” he said.

The first paragraph heavily implies that incels and MGTOW are part of the MRM, which they aren't, and the article even gives Peter a chance to make that case, so why frame it as they did in the first paragraph?

In Goldich’s view, the conversation around gender politics has become stuck and requires an alternative to help people reconceptualize gender relations by calling a “draw” in the competition for victimhood status and refocusing efforts on true equality.

This sounds rather obnoxious on Goldrich's part. You can't solve a problem without an accurate diagnosis. I want to focus on true equality, but if I come to the conclusion that men are more disadvantaged than women therefore men's rights need urgent and unique attention, or if feminists conclude otherwise, will we be accused of not actually focusing on equality and of childless bickering in some victimhood competition?

He sounds like the one of those agnostics who smugly thinks he knows better than both religious people and athiests.

Mortago_109 · 2022-12-07T14:15:01+00:00

Overall, good to see a mostly positive article on the MRM in a major publication. Don't like incels and whoever the white nationalist MGTOWs are supposed to be being lumped into the MRM, but the author does go on in the next paragraph to make it clear MRAs don't consider them as part of us.

IronJohnMRA · 2022-12-07T13:46:53+00:00

https://archive.ph/20221207072710/https://www.nationalreview.com/news/the-unseen-faces-of-the-mens-rights-movement/

Title	National Review: The Unseen Faces of the Men’s Rights Movement
Author	Imaginalis_
Upvotes	29
Comments	9
Date	December 7, 2022 5:54 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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