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In Nazi Germany, women were killers too - On Women's role in the Holocaust, ignored by historians -- An interesting article that rhymes with men's issues: hypergamy, the pussy pass, with a refutation of Sugar and Spice theory's prediction that women will lead the planet to a more peaceful world

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October 28, 2013

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http://www.salon.com/2013/10/28/nazi_women_were_savage_murderers_too/

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Title	In Nazi Germany, women were killers too - On Women's role in the Holocaust, ignored by historians -- An interesting article that rhymes with men's issues: hypergamy, the pussy pass, with a refutation of Sugar and Spice theory's prediction that women will lead the planet to a more peaceful world
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Date	October 28, 2013 7:55 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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Q: For some of these women, it seems like the movement was simply an opportunity to advance themselves socially.

I think we tend to underestimate how important class was to how these women identified themselves. The regime of the Kaiser had been dismantled and discredited by the First World War. Suddenly women were allowed to vote, to participate, to escape the stifling atmospheres and villages where they were forced to work as sheep herders. The natural avenue for this kind of mobility were “female” professions like nursing, teaching and secretarial work, and so those are the main areas where we see women make their way through the state system.

Q: My one lingering question is what distinguishes the women who worked as secretaries or teachers in the regime from those who were actually pulling the trigger? Was it simply a matter of opportunity?

Numerically there’s a concentration of SS wives among the perpetrators. Being in such close proximity to power is something I think was important, especially for women who wouldn’t have otherwise tasted what it was like to be a member of the elite. You have these farm girls who suddenly have a license to kill, many of whom are acting out in front of men in small German-only communities. We don’t really see women committing violent crimes under the pressure of other women.

My interpolation of the above, especially the bolded is what led me to think 'hypergamy'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't think the hypergamy issue is all that important, though it may shed more light on the question of how could women "sugar and spice and everything nice" participate in and facilitate such evil.

More important is why historians have never looked at this til now, which I attribute to a pussy pass and yeah, probably a sexist focus on the men.

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