I am looking to create a reference sheet for the common arguments used by feminists that we deal with weekly and how wrong they are. I have gotten sick of having to make the exact same arguments every week and typing them up every time plus I am not the greatest writer as you can tell so I am looking for help in finding references to cite, arguments written by people who are better at it then I am, and in some cases personal experiences. I plan on editing in links and arguments that people contribute into the post.

Topic/argument 1. Tone argument aka why are you so angry

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Tone_argument Ironic the first google hit was a feminist page. It does a good job summing up the problem with it. http://queerdictionary.tumblr.com/post/3970478063/tone-argument highlight "This approach is a cop-out: it is a way for a commenter to try and dismiss a valid point without any further reflection on their part."

You are making a tone argument aka why are you so angry and vitriolic in your message? First off this is a logical fallacy used to dismiss an argument out of hand so that you do not have to reflect on why the person is making this argument or trying to put yourself in his/her shoes to ask why he/she is so angry. Secondly we are angry because we feel our voice is either ignored, silenced, or insulted every time we voice it. Through the years mens voices have been treated this way by society and especially feminists and we are frankly sick of it so we turn to anger. For the younger generation would you have questioned why Malcolm X was angry? Of course not he had a valid reason to be angry and raised many valid points despite his message being filled with anger. Sure he could have been like Martin Luther King but that did not work for him and it required both of them to make contributions towards civil rights.

Many of our members have either been treated poorly by feminists or have experienced great hardship due to women fairly often via divorce and become bitter and angry about it, this is especially bad because the current laws favor women so they feel the system is stacked against them. You see similar amongst radical feminists who become damaged because of life and become angry and lash out. This is a link to a ex rad fem talking about her experiences. I personally found a ton of similarities between how she was and how some of our members are. http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/1ikarm/i_am_an_exsjw_flavour_exradfem_ama/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uwekw/facts_and_statistics_detailing_male_oppression/ Shows why we are so angry and feel like we have issues. If you faced similar you would be angry just like we are. Especially when you consider feminists working against us. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/g2eme/feminists_tell_you_that_the_solution_to_mens/

Video girlwriteswhat angry misogynists! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9G9AAhlMo4

Second video from her talking about almost the same thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-m98xmCng0

Looking for: A better argument if anyone feels like making one as well as more links.

Topic/argument 2. How feminist organizations have worked against men.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1k0qv4/feminist_block_alimony_equality_in_florida/

http://j4mb.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/paying-lifelong-alimony-in-florida-the-battle-between-sanity-and-madness-madness-wins-again/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/g2eme/feminists_tell_you_that_the_solution_to_mens/

Looking for a good argument and more links.

Topic/argument 3. How we are treated by feminists on an individual level.

Looking for contributions on this one anyone have the big red video or videos from protests against us? Or the poster tear down stuff? Donglegate links? I am also trying to figure out a way for people to be able to anonymously contribute stories so that we can just link to that.

GWW on poster tear down stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jz63_lGuSE

Local news article http://www.news1130.com/2012/09/07/posters-in-support-of-mens-rights-ripped-down-in-vancouver/

One atheism+ member bragging about it http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=413 (atheism+ being a feminist offshoot of the atheism movement)

Topic/argument 4. true scottsman/Not all feminists are like that!/ true feminism

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/presumption/no-true-scotsman/

Gay men http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/book-that-changed-me-peter-tatchell

Or if you prefer video form girlwriteswhat has a good video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQWoNhrY_fM

Looking for: More links and someone making a good case explaining what it is and how feminists have treated us as a group and other people such as trans people and more recently gay.

Topic/argument 5. Why don't you do something useful and help people!

Looking for: Anyone have articles on the shutting down of the mens domestic violence shelter and how it was blockaded so to speak by feminists? I think I can handle the rest of the argument easily but am looking for cites and sources basically.

Topic/argument 6. Apex fallacy

This was slightly before I started to become involved but I remember it being very good. I think we have updated it slightly with the glass cellar argument as well. Looking for arguments and links.

Topic/argument 7. why won't you work with feminists? http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/g2eme/feminists_tell_you_that_the_solution_to_mens/ Should be simple enough but I would like more.

Topic/argument 8 feminism treated us in the past:

Looking for contributions on this one especially historical perspectives from long ago when men were basically excommunicated by feminists and why we have chosen to go our own way.

Topic/argument 9. YOU SUCK/are not a man, man up etc etc etc and other shaming tactics.

http://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/