Hunting for Archetypes: Forced Fatherhood: a response.

cajunrevenge · 2013-07-14T05:26:13+00:00

I can agree the basics of what that says but some of it needs to be equalized.

If a man has to prove he hasnt seen her for 6 months to show he wasnt informed of the child's existence then she also needs to prove that she informed him she had a child and he was the father. The man should also get a few days atleast to decide, none of this informing a man then making him decide in minutes crap.
The amount of contact should be negotiable with the default being no contact by either side if they cant agree. There has to be something protecting the man from incidental contact. If you live in a small town there is no way to avoid running into each other at some point. No one should be forced to be unable to attend church, quit his job, or miss out on family get togethers. Should they be in the same place at the same time there is to be no verbal contact between either sides.
Whatever penalty against the man that there is for initiating contact there should be equal for the mother doing the same thing. I think forcing her to pay the man child support because she initiated contact would be too harsh and harm the child. Its hard to find a punishment that isnt really punishing the child. Maybe if she initiates contact then she loses the right to sue him for child support regardless of what he does in the future.
I dont agree with the 18 years plus interest if contacting the child after they are 18. It should be a lot lower and the money should go to the child not the mother. Some protection would need to be written in for if the child sought out the father. If the child wants to seek out the father and have a relationship with him that should be up to the child. I dont want to see the man punished because the child found out who the father was and tried to contact him. The father wouldnt even know it was his child until the child told him so how could he defend himself against this.
In cases of abuse I am okay so long as its shown to be a habit of abuse and its not based on circumstantial evidence. I dont want to see a man forced to pay 18 years of child support because he was charged with domestic violence once for throwing an empty coke bottle at her(I saw a man charged with DV for this on cops recently). I worry that there would be a lot of fraud to get child support which is why I want there to be clear evidence here.
I dont support the majority of government handouts. I know thats a losing battle though.
If a woman decides she doesnt want the child and the man does then all the same things should apply to her if the man raises the child.
If the parent marries and their new spouse adopts the child then they should be ineligible to get child support and the penalties for contact should be changed to criminal charges like harassment and trespassing.

betaprime · 2013-07-13T16:49:48+00:00

While we’re at it, let’s say children who don’t have child support get a special stipend from the government, much like the Social Security payments they’d get if you were dead.

Replacing forced fatherhood for the individual with forced fatherhood by society, brilliant!

Pornography_saves_li · 2013-07-13T17:09:38+00:00

Downvoted because of this:

Should a single mother prove unable to financially support her children, the State should take custody of them, and she should be chemically sterilized until such time as she can prove to be able to support her children.

There you go, no more child poverty, no huge Welfare rolls, the promotion of responsible parenting is inherent...it's all great sounding...nevermind the hideous totalitarianism... it's for the children after all..

If that was sarcasm you should have made that really really clear dude :(

As for Marcotte's "conditions" I'm used to expecting idiocy from her. Human rights aren't a question of negotiation, either you support them or you don't.

Title	Hunting for Archetypes: Forced Fatherhood: a response.
Author	Pornography_saves_li
Upvotes	0
Comments	14
Date	July 13, 2013 4:03 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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