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New Zealand suicide numbers rise three years in a row - Men are dying by suicide at a ratio of 3 men to 1 woman - "We keep having the same conversations every year and we keep getting the same responses [...] It really feels like a non-response."

badon_

August 29, 2017
23 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/96217175/national-suicide-numbers-rise-three-years-in-a-row
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Title New Zealand suicide numbers rise three years in a row - Men are dying by suicide at a ratio of 3 men to 1 woman - "We keep having the same conversations every year and we keep getting the same responses [...] It really feels like a non-response."
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badon_

Upvotes 23
Comments 10
Date August 29, 2017 10:49 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6wqfkf/new_zealand_suicide_numbers_rise_three_years_in_a/
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Comments

[–]Coquistadorable 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Kiwi here. I used to think about suicide a lot but more or less casually. Or just go to bed not caring if i was going to wake up ever again. I was in canterbury where suicide rates are higher. I felt trapped by my student loan on a degree i still don't have because i felt so lost in my third year, found studying difficult and failed many papers. Things can feel so hopeless and opportunities beyond reach and that's how I felt, as well as trapped by my student debt. I would love to see the price of studying heavily reduced and I think that would take a lot of pressure off young people. We're always told nz is such a great place to live and tend to dust the serious issues under the rug. I'm now travelling/volunteering abroad and it's great! Sadly I'm still trapped by my loan and, being overseas, the interest is increasing which is bullshit. I love being a kiwi but I shouldn't feel obligated to spend all my youth there or face financial penalties. I'm just ignoring that problem for now.

It's liberating to be off the island and realise all sorts of countries deal with things differently. No one told me you can study overseas more cheaply (I have an eu passport) and sadly I bought into a bullshit education system because I was too young and dumb to know better.

I wish more people would travel or live overseas before starting a career or studying. I know I've seen the light at least

[–]ee4m -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

"Societal problem".

New Zealand is going through market liberalization.

Which means more average men are under pressure, there are fewer safety nets and more average men are going to kill themselves as a result of that.

Its not just killing men.

This paper explains one way in which New Zealand’s free-market reforms have adversely affected its environment. Liberalisation of New Zealand’s economy has radically changed the determinants of agricultural export success, largely due to the elimination of subsidies to domestic producers, and of tariffs on imports. In this exposed agricultural milieu, the dairy industry has thrived; cow numbers have increased by over 50%, with commensurate increases in herd and farm sizes. With this rapid expansion has come increasing pollution of New Zealand’s waterways. New Zealand’s Resource Management Act 1991 is potentially capable of controlling these adverse effects; however, its implementation was slow and piecemeal throughout the 1990s. So, at the same time as production and pollution from dairy farming expanded, the efficacy of environmental policy was limited. The resulting implementation gap has put at risk the ‘clean and green’ image that is an important component of New Zealand’s agricultural export success. This paper explains one way in which New Zealand’s free-market reforms have adversely affected its environment. Liberalisation of New Zealand’s economy has radically changed the determinants of agricultural export success, largely due to the elimination of subsidies to domestic producers, and of tariffs on imports. In this exposed agricultural milieu, the dairy industry has thrived; cow numbers have increased by over 50%, with commensurate increases in herd and farm sizes. With this rapid expansion has come increasing pollution of New Zealand’s waterways. New Zealand’s Resource Management Act 1991 is potentially capable of controlling these adverse effects; however, its implementation was slow and piecemeal throughout the 1990s. So, at the same time as production and pollution from dairy farming expanded, the efficacy of environmental policy was limited. The resulting implementation gap has put at risk the ‘clean and green’ image that is an important component of New Zealand’s agricultural export success.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10668-005-7316-0

Its high time the mens movement got politically and economically aware.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

1.) Male suicide is far more complex than just economic factors.

2.) Economics is far more complex than just its impact on male suicide rates.

I can't help but find your call for this movement to be more "politically and economically aware" to be an attempt to conflate conservative economic policies with men's issues. You want the MRM to be a conservative movement, rather than an apolitical one.

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Its pretty stupid to talk about male disposibility while promoting economic polices and systems that see men are disposible productivity units.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Specific arguments can probably be made for both sides of the economic argument, and I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is people trying to argue that all MRAs/the MRM should be pro-conservative or liberal as relatively blanket statements. There is absolutely no reason the MRM should favor free market economic policies on principle; neither that nor pro-regulation stances are inherently linked to men's rights.

[–]SpellonYee 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. There's definitely a problem though with the most visible MRA's being right wing or even far right wing extremists. Eg Karen Straughan just had a cordial chat with a white nationalist and tweeted a defense of the fascist Sheriff Joe Arpaio. So I don't mind it when posters like /u/ee4m challenge the right wing bias of the movement.

[–]ee4m 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There is absolutely no reason the MRM should favor free market economic policies on principle; neither that nor pro-regulation stances are inherently linked to men's rights.

If men argue that society is really a market and government doesn't get involved in helping men and women argue that society is a society and there are social and market aspects to it - men are the disposible sex and society cares about women.

Free markets v's social markets is the crux of mens rights and the right wing of the mrm appropriated the movements left wing talking points while at the same time advocate to make the issues worse through economic policies.

For example, arguing that super rich people be free of labour market regulation means more men die on the job and have fewer benefits and security and less money, so will be more likely to kill themselves.

[–]ee4m 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The one Kiwi here has said his student loan was driving him to depression, and is happy to have found countries that allow him to study cheaply.

[–]badon_[S] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's just sending men's jobs to other countries.

[–]ee4m 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That and austerity measures.

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