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The Proud Boys: Drinking Club or Misogynist Movement?

ttbook_mark

February 7, 2018
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https://www.ttbook.org/interview/proud-boys-drinking-club-or-misogynist-movement
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Title The Proud Boys: Drinking Club or Misogynist Movement?
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ttbook_mark

Upvotes 6
Comments 3
Date February 7, 2018 9:22 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/7vzjkv/the_proud_boys_drinking_club_or_misogynist/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/the-proud-boys-drinking-club-or-misogynist.1179619
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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a producer on this radio show. I'm interested to hear what you all think of it, specifically 1) did we fairly represent what the Proud Boys are about and 2) does the piece serve as a good jumping off point for discussions of society's attitudes toward masculinity today?

The show this is from also features this interview with Warren Farrell, which might be of interest. https://www.ttbook.org/interview/boys-crisis-shouting-attention

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

After the beating, Pall tweeted a photo of his face and hands covered in blood. As a member of the Proud Boys, a libertarian men’s club that conveys special status on members who are attacked by anti-fascists, Pall had just achieved the highest degree of membership.

Now I admit, I don't know too much about the proud boys, I've heard of them but I do know quite a bit about Gavin McInnes. I saw him about the internet with Milo back when gamergate first happened and I think he and people who associate with him are anything but Libertarian.

You have to be able to with guys like Gavin, sort out what he's saying just to piss people off and what he's saying as his actual beliefs. The problem with reporting as you've done is that you seem to be taking him far too literally and that doesn't work.

I don't think it's correct to call the proud boys or Gavin 'Libertarian' there is a movement out there of dodgy social conservatives pushing traditionalism who try to act all cuddly but I don't think that Gavin or the proud buys can be placed in either the Libertarian category or the traditionalist category.

It's kind of like Milo, he's sensible enough to recognise that if he acts like moral busybody and tells us all how to live he'll just piss people off but he does have at least some socially conservative beliefs.

The rest of the stuff like "The west is the best" which I have seen videos of them saying is just designed to piss off the left on purpose and make them rage.

Members also traffic in inflammatory language. A female reporter arranging an interview for this story with Wisconsin Proud Boy members in September was asked by the interview subject whether he should bring condoms. In a later interview, McInnes told the reporter she should give up her career, that “you need to find a man,” and that she would run out of eggs if she did not get pregnant soon.

It's called a joke, tasteless yes, indeed, but it's a joke designed to piss off the reporter, you're not going to be able to handle interviewing these people if you take them 100% seriously. Certainly not some random female reporter who's never had to deal with that kind of language in her life, just being honest with you here since you asked for feedback.

What happens is with these types of people like Milo and Gavin is you have these ultra-serious reporters coming along who take everything literally and report it as news and then I'm sitting here reading about how you think that the group was spewing misogynistic hate and laughing at you hysterically.

But experts say some of the group’s beliefs overlap with so-called alt-right ideology.

I think you mean Buzzfeed and Vice, not 'experts'.

[–]fengpi 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everybody knows that when you put two men together in a room, it is an instant misogynist movement. /s

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