Piers Morgan’s campaign for men is straight out of the MRA and incel playbooks (Who Wrote a Playbook and Didn't Tell Me?)

tenchineuro · 2018-09-20T14:12:29+00:00

But there is a more serious side to this kind of rhetoric. Ideas about how men need to seize back their country, because feminism has got “carried away”, comes straight from the Men’s Rights Activists and incel playbooks.

First let me be clear: I am in no way saying that Morgan knows about, agrees with or believes in the kind of content shared by MRAs and incels. Instead, I want to explore how these jokes about sexism form the building blocks of a pernicious kind of online misogyny.

Tell us more.

Put simply, Men’s Rights Activists believe that women have seized control – of culture, of politics, of family life – in an attack on their white male privilege. Their mission is to take control back, and protect men and boys from “gynocentrism” – ie the idea that women are in charge and oppressing men.

There are a few elements of truth here, but on the whole, it's completely wrong.

The belief that women have got carried away with their rights, and men are the real victims now, underpins much of MRA thinking. And this is when we go into the darkest corners of the men’s rights movements – the incels and the MGTOWs (which stands for men go their own way – men who choose not to have sex with, or even any contact with, women).

She should at least research these terms before writing an article, MGTOW are not normally celibate, some few may choose not to have sex with women, but most don't, they just refuse to marry or have a relationship with women.

Some in the incel movement advocate that men need to take back control from women in the most violent ways. They argue that there’s nothing wrong with rape, or that ISIS’s mass rape of “sex slaves” is a legitimate way to regain men’s dominance over women.

I never read r\incels while it was there, can anyone verify this? She's not gotten a lot right so far.

But in those dark online corners, the idea that feminism has gone too far and women get offended by ridiculous things; the jokes that “you decided to criminalise the word man”, and the command for men to seize control, is mixed up with extreme misogyny and hate speech. These ideas are repeated, and built upon in online spaces where mostly young, mostly white men are radicalised to hate women and other oppressed groups. When these beliefs about feminism, men and women are normalised in mainstream entertainment, it legitimises the grievances of MRAs and incels, and their toxic beliefs.

So this is all about hating on white men. Standard feminist fare.

You only have to spend five minutes on an incel forum to see how Piers’s joke really isn’t very funny.

Maybe she should have also spent 5 minutes in an MRA forum before exposibg the deep dark underbelly of the MRA movement, or whatever she imagines it is.

This article is dated today, and r\incels has been gone for months at least, I wonder what incel forum she spent 5 minutes in (if that)?

lostapwbm · 2018-09-20T14:13:06+00:00

First let me be clear: I am in no way saying that Morgan knows about, agrees with or believes in the kind of content shared by MRAs and incels. Instead, I want to explore how these jokes about sexism form the building blocks of a pernicious kind of online misogyny.

Feminists can't stand being laughed at or about because their greatest fear is being delegitimized.

Put simply, Men’s Rights Activists believe that women have seized control – of culture, of politics, of family life – in an attack on their white male privilege. Their mission is to take control back, and protect men and boys from “gynocentrism” – ie the idea that women are in charge and oppressing men.

That's not what gynocentrism is. It means that the person is woman-centered, as in, they are susceptible to appeals that are supposedly based on what is good for women in general or as a class.

On their forums, they write how “gynocentric laws dissuade guys from participating in reproduction” – ie women asking for rights is putting men off wanting to have babies. Feminism, in short, is causing humanity to die out.

So-called 'family planning' (project founded by Feminist/Eugenicist Margaret Sanger) accounts for 25% of the worldwide decline in fertility since the 1950s so yes, Feminism does have something to do with it, especially in countries where the rot is deepest.

They even believe that women use accusations of sexual assault to seize and cement their control over men. In one thread, commenters discuss how women turn their “advantage” into claims of “harassment and sexual assault”, and accuse women of “exaggerat[ing] their abuse in order to get sweet sweet attention”. They write: ”all female abuse claims are made because [women] can gain status from it.”

#MeToo

And I’m sure by even writing this article I’ll be mocked for rising to Morgan’s bait – the “snowflake” feminist who is “getting really offended by things which are not remotely offendable” – ie a joke campaign from Good Morning Britain.

Put on those big girl panties. Whether or not you are offended is not proof that the supposedly offending party has said anything untrue.

Canredd · 2018-09-20T14:22:14+00:00

Much of the anger coming from MRAs is that feminism has gone too far

No. Our critique is that feminism has always been an anti-male hate movement.

On their forums, MRAs claim that “patriarchy is civilisation”, ergo an attack on the status quo of male privilege is an attack on civilised norms.

Male privilege is a laughable myth.

They believe that “feminism has been waging a huge war against men”, and argue that the success of feminism means men “become marginalised and disadvantaged in every aspect of life and this is exactly what has happened to any and all countries where feminism has become institutionalised.”

This is accurate. But it's also important to note that male billionaires have financed and supported the feminist movement.

they write how “gynocentric laws dissuade guys from participating in reproduction” – ie women asking for rights is putting men off wanting to have babies.

No. MRA's want equal rights, they do not oppose women's rights. This isn't difficult.

The belief that women have got carried away with their rights

lol

the darkest corners of the men’s rights movements – the incels and the MGTOW

"Incels" have nothing to do with the men's rights movement. The MRM was founded by a bunch of divorced fathers who wanted to spend more time with their children.

The idea that men need to seize control

Wait, I thought men already had control. Patriarchy, yes?

They even believe that women use accusations of sexual assault to seize and cement their control over men.

How is this imbecile writing articles for major news publications? Does the patriarchy want to defame women by promoting morons?

misogyny and hate speech.

These people are dangerous. They can and will attempt to outlaw criticism of feminism as "hate speech". Don't let it happen.

croidhubh · 2018-09-20T17:31:56+00:00

Piers Morgan is a typical beta male anyway

Sasha_ · 2018-10-01T09:20:45+00:00

Sian Norris is a writer and journalist. She is the Founder and Director of the Bristol Women's Literature Festival. She is currently the Ben Pimlott writer-in-residence at Birkbeck University's politics department.

Who would have guessed?

Title	Piers Morgan’s campaign for men is straight out of the MRA and incel playbooks (Who Wrote a Playbook and Didn't Tell Me?)
Author	lostapwbm
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Date	September 20, 2018 1:49 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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