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UK: Rape should never go unpunished. But I fear setting targets for trials would betray victims - and the innocent, writes barrister

furchfur

August 11, 2020
103 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8613939/JERRY-HAYES-fear-setting-targets-rape-trials-betray-victims-innocent.html
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Title UK: Rape should never go unpunished. But I fear setting targets for trials would betray victims - and the innocent, writes barrister
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furchfur

Upvotes 103
Comments 8
Date August 11, 2020 8:02 AM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/i7nqmb/uk_rape_should_never_go_unpunished_but_i_fear/
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Comments

[–]Mode1961 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Quotas for trials are just an awesome 2020 idea, lets just charge everyone, put them on trial, we don't care about convictions or acquittals. /s

What this will do no is force people to plead guilty and accept lower sentences because they know that no matter what the CPS will bring them to trial. You can also bet they will get changes made to the rules of evidence to ensure more convictions as well as we did in Canada that now requires defence attorneys to turn over all their evidence to the accuser before trial.

[–]je97 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why would you set targets for prosecutions for any crime? That just gives prosecutors more of a reason to lower the standard required for a charge and makes it far more likely that the innocent will find themselves in court. It is truly insane.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I believe this is a result of the '2% of rape accusations are false' statistics that is currently make it's way through feminist circles and it's their main go to for attacking MRAs for talking about false accusations. Feminists believe because so many rape accusations never make it to court and men don't get actually convicted for being accused of rape that means that they are guilty rapists walking free.

Once you understand that, then you understand the motivation behind them backing even blatant false accusers like Amber Heard. Jess Phillips did this and the reason she's doing it is because she believes that simply by percentage chance she is better off backing a false accuser than potentially defending a rapist that she believes has a higher chance of happening.

This does not take into account the fact that all of the rape cases that have been dismissed or simply not lead anywhere are are result of not being defined properly and feminists are completely misinterpreting these statistics to mean that all the other cases are just male rapists walking free.

They are basing their entire belief system on a flimsy assumption about statistics they don't understand and it is truly mind blowing but it explains where their mentality is at with regards to rape in particular. They do not know what they are talking about and don't understand how to read basic statistics yet they have appointed themselves experts on the topic and everyone just goes along with it.

[–]kepz3 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

also it’s not even 2% it’s 2-10%, I’m not surprised the feminists took the low estimate

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's like with the 1 in 3/1 in 4 sexual assault statistic, they tend to vary because again, they don't understand the statistics they're quoting. As with anything once an actual link is interrogated out of them it's ridiculous how easy it is to debunk them which is likely why they're so reluctant to bring along their sources but they insist on trying to use it as a cudgel to beat us all with and claim if we disagree with them we must be misogynists or rape apologists.

This is why it's so important that when you deal with feminists you make sure you're in a patient mood. No one likes being called a rape apologists which is why so many react badly to it and they know this makes life easier for them when they don't actually have to backup their claims and can just focus on the evil men calling them mean words after they've just thrown very serious accusations at people for no fucking reason.

[–]Lethn 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Call it what it is, this is why nothing ever changes in this country, this is fraud, it's corruption being pushed by a political ideologue who thinks that men not being prosecuted after being charged with rape means they are rapists going free. I am so sick of the cowardice in my country over these morons.

At the centre of these latest pronouncements over rape is Victims’ Commissioner, Dame Vera Baird, a former Labour MP

Oh why am I not surprised? The more you learn about who the people are behind these programs and initiatives the more you realise why things are so fucked generally. This is why MRAs are so important because they are the only group taking the fight to people like this behind the back door where feminists have had a monopoly on this for years.

None had been flagged up to me or to the CPS, but I decided to check with the investigating officer. To my surprise, he said that there were, but they shouldn’t be disclosed as they were ‘private’. All 60,000 of them.

No lawyer had seen them, so I decided they should be shown to the defence in order to allow them to decide if there was anything in them that might assist their case. There was.

Yes this is called corruption and the idiot who pulled this should never be allowed to be inside a court room ever again or work in the criminal justice system.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Goodhart's law.

[–]MRA-Sid 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gynocentric system want to punish men by treating women’s words as gospel truth and have no interest to find truth.

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