Hi, i need some help from y'all men rights fellows...

grandpa_stalin_37 · 2019-08-23T19:51:14+00:00

Yet i genuinely feel discriminated and intimidated when debating fair rights to men, and simply offering the option that men also have it hard but it wont do.

When you engage in such activities, standing up for men, you are standing up against a bully. That intimidation you feel when you confront a bully is where a lot of their power comes from.

I am sure it would help you to feel less of that intimidation and discrimination if when you did stand up, other boys stood along side you, so keep doing what you do, and when other boys stand up to the bully stand alongside them.

You are looking to change hearts and minds, so be sure that you are ready to 'take yes for an answer' and when you have changed someones mind, be ready to accept them as a friend even tho once they were aligned against you.

genkernels · 2019-08-24T00:32:49+00:00

Not your job to change people, just make available what you believe to be true and keep an open and searching mind for those (hopefully) few instances where you are wrong so that you always move yourself closer to truth. Be polite, and if it is possible as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone (it will not always be possible because it doesn't always depend on you). Don't make who you associate with depend on whether they agree with you -- though you may have to avoid people who can't get over disagreeing with you.

dovakin123489 · 2019-08-24T01:17:00+00:00

It is really hard to argue with indisputable facts so try to have graphs and charts ready on your phone and the biggest this is recognize when someone is open minded enough to have an intelligent conversation about the subject if they just go nuh uh at every word there’s no point

RockmanXX · 2019-08-24T14:36:40+00:00

Yet i genuinely feel discriminated and intimidated when debating fair rights to men

The fact that you feel this way proves that Men are facing serious social issues.

Historybuffman · 2019-08-23T20:31:34+00:00

One effective method I have found is to simply point out how they are wrong and mock them.

When they talk, notice that in real life (and online) feminists absolutely HAVE TO attack in groups, never alone. "Oh, you needed four people to attack me. Either none of you could come up with enough ideas alone, or I am actually right and you guys are trying to intimidate me into being quiet."

Point out their tactics, and any audience will think its fucked up. You can't change the emotional feminist mind, because you can't reason with someone that is unreasonable.

The feminist main attack is: Poison the well/ad hominem, and the Kafka trap. Point it out, as often as possible. Let people see how they are being manipulated. They will accuse you of being something "bad" (MRA, racist, sexist, bigot, etc) for the ad hominem/poisoning the well to make you look bad, and take any denial as proof (the Kafka trap).

The best way to counter it is to point out what they are doing. They are trying to lump you in with another group and change your argument and not listen to what you are really saying.

What you want is for any observer to walk away disgusted by their actions. While not intellectually honest or commendable, mocking someone that says stupid shit scores points with laypeople. And you will have plenty of material to mock when a feminist speaks.

Title	Hi, i need some help from y'all men rights fellows...
Author	grandpa_stalin_37
Upvotes	33
Comments	10
Date	August 23, 2019 7:35 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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