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NZ: National Party leader Christopher Luxon demands Marama Davidson apologise to cis white men

Heavy_Grand2526

March 28, 2023
69 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/486871/national-party-leader-christopher-luxon-demands-marama-davidson-apologise-to-cis-white-men
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Title NZ: National Party leader Christopher Luxon demands Marama Davidson apologise to cis white men
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Heavy_Grand2526

Upvotes 69
Comments 9
Date March 28, 2023 11:22 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/12560qr/nz_national_party_leader_christopher_luxon/
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Comments

[–]g1455ofwater 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He said she had not offered her resignation - which the ACT and NZ First parties had demanded - and he would not ask for it.

That's very encouraging to see those parties speaking out and demanding she resign. I don't expect it to happen but it sets a good example to show New Zealand and the world that treating men like that isn't acceptable.

[–]Punder_man 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

To offer a balanced opinion here.. as someone who lives in New Zealand I would also be pushing for any minister who made a Misogynistic comment about women to apologize or step down from parliament.

The thing that Marama Davidson doesn't understand here behind her misandry and shield of "I have clarified what I meant to say" is that her words have a very real impact on many who live in New Zealand.

Her words:

"I am the (violence prevention) minister - and I know who causes violence in the world - it is white cis men.

Imply heavily that in this minister's view Cis White Men can not be victims of domestic or sexual assault because the minister believes that it is only Cis White Men who cause violence.

As a Cis White Man myself whom is also a survivor of domestic violence at the hands of a woman put in a position of power / authority over me and my siblings I find myself absolutely disgusted by her words.

She is essentially saying that because of my immutable characteristics I do not have the right to label myself a 'victim' of domestic violence.

What the (dis)honorable Marama Davidson doesn't understand here is that she is NOT the minister for women, she is NOT the minister for violence prevention against women. She is the "Violence Prevention" Minister and that includes men.

The fact that she made this statement openly and feels she has nothing to apologize for truly shows how entrenched her misandrist views are.
I mentioned this in another thread on the subject but the Human Rights Commission has received over 100 complaints about her comments and I hope more will come, I hope they will take these complaints and hold the (dis)honorable Marama Davidson accountable for her breach of human rights against a group of people.

[–]critical_Bat 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am sure she believes cis white men can be victims of violence by other cis white men.

[–]ThirdTurnip 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Imply heavily

I'd call what she said explicit. There's no element of hinting or suggesting. She's totally clear.

From what she explicitly said, we can logically infer [insert your following points here].

I mentioned this in another thread on the subject but the Human Rights Commission has received over 100 complaints

That's interesting. NZ hate speech laws cover race. Only. So the "white" element of her statement could be illegal.

https://christchurchattack.royalcommission.nz/publications/comp/hate-speech-sections-61-and-131-of-human-rights-act-1993/

[–]Punder_man 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From the Human Rights Commission NZ

What is unlawful discrimination?

The Human Rights Act protects people in Aotearoa New Zealand from unlawful discrimination. Unlawful discrimination is when you are treated differently and unfairly compared to others because of a personal characteristic such as your race, sex, or age.

Seems pretty clear cut to me that Marama Davidson's comment falls under this category as she is unfairly discriminating against many people in New Zealand (and in fact the whole world) because of personal characteristics of Race (white) sex (Male) and Sexual Identity (Cis)

But i'm sure the Human Rights Commission will find a way to sweep this under the rug because after all, the Human Rights Commission only really cares when its the "Human Rights" of women being affected..

[–]ThirdTurnip -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

FYI I'm not a lawyer but having been sexually harassed and discriminated against and taken a case to Australian courts, know this area semi-well.

"treated differently" in anti-discrimination law means being subjected to a disadvantage in commerce, employment or education.

Like a shopkeeper denying service to or charging more for customers, or someone not getting a job because of a protected attribute.

Her statement alone doesn't add up to anything like that.

But it might qualify as hate speech and even though that strips it down to just the "white" part of her statement, would still be very serious.

[–]suj1290 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Misandrist should resign

[–]dw87190 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should be fired and blacklisted from all future government employment

[–]hehimCA 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad there was outrage, not surprised that although she corrected herself, she refused to even apologize.

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