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"Men and women play games with each other because men are operating under an irrational paradigm that says to men, 'you're not good enough for any woman, so you must pretend to be better than you are.'" - Johnny Soporno

Lightfiend

July 15, 2011

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Title	"Men and women play games with each other because men are operating under an irrational paradigm that says to men, 'you're not good enough for any woman, so you must pretend to be better than you are.'" - Johnny Soporno
Author	Lightfiend
Upvotes	13
Comments	13
Date	July 15, 2011 3:12 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/iqgro/men_and_women_play_games_with_each_other_because/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/men-and-women-play-games-with-each-other-because.1320269 https://theredarchive.com/post/1320269

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Copypasta.

I think the reason most women tend to not give so much fucks is because they have tons of attention and all the other shit that we men have to derive from nothing. We must create the force while they are able to just consume it without ever having to produce it.

Finally.

Finally, finally, finally someone here is starting to wake up.

r/seduction is half the puzzle.

The other half is r/mensrights.

Why do you think all this seduction crap is just being invented as of the last three decades? Do you seriously think that no one in the history of the world before now was capable of coming up with this shit?

NO!

The answer is they didn't need it. Good natural game was enough. The confidence you got from success in life was enough. The fact that women saw a good man as a desirable thing was enough.

People from earlier times didn't have sciences of how to game the system, because they didn't have to. The playing field was level. Women thought of men as having value already.

All this PUA stuff isn't some new, wonderful discovery. It's a reaction, where we are trying to correct the way our culture has failed us.

We are the first generations to do it, because we are the second generation to grow up in a post-feminist society, a society that has accepted as a basic creed the notion that men are shit.

That is the reason that you have to work so hard at learning to approach women. Because they, and you, have been taught from infancy that you are a walking, talking pile of shit. Not because of anything about you. But just because you are a man.

"Natural game", and learning it, means nothing more than reclaiming the notion that women are not better than you. Why is this so hard? Because we grew up swimming in feminist propaganda, that's why.

I don't need to give examples. We're all men here. We know the kind of shit they say about us in movies, on television, in universities, from every public forum in the country.

Our culture takes every contribution of men for granted, and then calls us worthless because every good thing about us has become invisible.

And yeah, we can learn seduction skills, we can learn inner game, we can create in little bubble around us that contradicts this shit, maintain it with sheer force of will, and walk around in it reaping the sexual rewards. But we have a greater responsibility than that.

We have a responsibility to fix our culture. To teach that men do have value. To remind men to stop undervaluing themselves, and to remind women to stop overvaluing themselves.

We need to stop just working on our own game, and start getting the message out, that we will not accept being viewed as inferiors any more.

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