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Simple Pickup Responds to "Rape" Comments

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February 16, 2012

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Title	Simple Pickup Responds to "Rape" Comments
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	0
Comments	31
Date	February 16, 2012 12:07 AM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/prhlb/simple_pickup_responds_to_rape_comments/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/simple-pickup-responds-to-rape-comments.1328461 https://theredarchive.com/post/1328461

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[–]Skitrel2 points 14 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yet she continued to run, he got no contact details and it went nowhere. I argue otherwise. This does not change the fact that this advice is dangerous to give, he openly admits to it being a chance that he took. You should not take chances with sexual assault. It's not cool. Regardless of the fact this worked out, there is a certain level of responsibility one has when giving advice, that responsibility is to not give advice that others will incorrectly use and cause fuckups to create discomfort and what is clearly defined as sexual assault. Simple pickup have a duty to ensure that when giving advice it should be LADEN with all the reasons a person should not do this as a "chance", only when completely certain. It being a chance suggests the possibility of instead of it being reciprocated it is not, meaning it's a sexual assault.

Kudos on turning this into something more productive though.

[–]sabretoofPUA0 points 14 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

to not give advice that others will incorrectly use and cause fuckups to create discomfort

Good luck running approaches...

what is clearly defined as sexual assault.

How is that sexual assault? That's very childish thinking. She would stop you or react in some negative manner, and he would not have pulled the trigger. You're armchairing this, yet again.

it should be LADEN with all the reasons a person should not do this as a "chance"

Every part of pickup is a chance. It's a numbers game, and it's one big game of luck and chance. Hell, that 10 at the bar does not have to sleep with you, but I'd rather take a "chance" instead of being so afraid to fail that I don't take action.

possibility of instead of it being reciprocated it is not, meaning it's a sexual assault.

Whenever you try and kiss anyone, theres a possibility of it not being reciprocated. Every time your girlfriend doesn't want to have sex but you still escalate, you're gambling with sexual assault.

Do you not see how you're misconstruing fear of rejection for a real crime?

[–]Skitrel2 points 14 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

How is that sexual assault? That's very childish thinking.

Any physical sexual interaction that is not consensual is defined as sexual assault by law. This includes sticking your tongue down someone's throat.

Every part of pickup is a chance. It's a numbers game, and it's one big game of luck and chance. Hell, that 10 at the bar does not have to sleep with you, but I'd rather take a "chance" instead of being so afraid to fail that I don't take action.

And there's nothing wrong with taking a chance, approaching her, and many other things. I did not say this and you're diverting from the point to avoid conceding it. Jumping down someone's throat on a chance is dangerous. Not just because it's defined as sexual assault if it's rejected but because you are entering someone else's bubble and causing them negative emotions as a result.

Every time your girlfriend doesn't want to have sex but you still escalate, you're gambling with sexual assault.

And escalating against "no" is defined as sexual assault. This is why sub/dom relationships use safewords, to allow the use of no. What you have just described is legally defined as rape. That's ok though, 45% of all men in a study I read recently have admitted to conducting acts that are legally defined as rape, though when admitting they hadn't realised that.

I am not misconstruing a fear of rejection for a real crime, not in the slightest. In fact fear of rejection has nothing to do with this, by all means ignore a fear of rejection in all other parts of interaction that do not involve physical sexual acts. In the event of there being any uncertainty of a person's reaction to a physical sexual advance one should not do it without standard escalation.

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[–]Skitrel1 point 14 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're still failing to offer an argument, instead focus on the personal nature of myself or yourself. I don't care about your credibility, this is all just ego masturbation. Offer up reasoned arguments with logical points.

The biggest problem in the pua world is people coughing up bullshit or bigging themselves up based on x when none of it really matters, what matters is that what they say makes logical sense and can be fully reasoned with supporting evidence and observation. If it can't, they're fake, bullshitters, liars, they're just trying to get as many people to think they're the big man as possible.

So please, stick to the points of the discussion rather than engaging in ad hom. Or qualifying yourself, not that I also did this, it was necessary in order to turn this into something more productive and mature however.

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