Shut Up And Touch Her

AndiShannonLee · 2015-10-23T09:04:04+00:00

"If you want to get good at game, realize people are going to think you’re creepy, you’re a douche, you’re a womanizer."

-This sounds like you're pretty terrible at teaching game and that others seem to agree.

"LET THEM THINK WHATEVER THEY WANT. IT DOESN’T MATTER. All that matters is what you do to improve your game." What they think DOES matter because you won't get anywhere with them if you're super creepy and know it because they know it too.

"All these experiences will do is make you stronger. Like a soldier who has been to war." Actually NOTHING like a soldier that has been to war.

"the negatives make you a stronger man, with more reference experiences, and a deeper understanding of human psychology—your own and others. " If Tony claims to be a "professional" pick up artist, shouldn't he know what the negatives are and tell you? Isn't that why you're paying him thousands of dollars? You were doing just fine crashing and burning on your own without him. Why pay him to watch you?

"Have you ever watched two pretty girls when they first meet? Often they will start chatting, and upon finding some common interest, will hold each other’s hands. Sometimes they even jump up and down and giggle." That's because they know each other. They don't know you. Completely different scenario.

"Minus the giggling, any man can evoke the same comfort that leads to physicality. Everybody (unless they’re psychologically damaged) enjoys physical contact. " Everyone enjoys physical contact WITH PARAMETERS. You don't go into your office and start touching the pretty receptionist because you would get fired. You don't go onto the bus and grab the hand of a stranger. What is not explained here is that there has to be LEAD UP into this interaction. Conversation. And once you have made the initial physical contact read her body language to discern whether you should continue with it. If she pulls away. That means "No!"

Basic physical contact is good. But let's draw a line in the sand. Groping, grabbing or any form of contact if she has said she doesn't want it is a HUGE negative. That shit ends you up in jail. So sometimes, "No!" ... actually means "No!"

How can you tell the difference?

If you need to stop and ask yourself that then you should stop!

Though Tony probably want's to doll out good advice, I find it's often far to vague and open for interpretation to be taken at face value and is more likely to get you in trouble than land phone numbers. Even with the title "Shut up and touch her" is very misleading. Anyone that says nothing and just touches a stranger is very likely to get sneered at, yelled at or slapped. This title was obviously written to gain attention through shock value to read the article but the article gives no examples of a working situation nor specifics of how a routine like that will play out. Ultimately, I would love to hear a story from a woman he's tried his tactics on because most of them seem far fetched (this is a suggestion for his next interview.) I think it would be intriguing and educational to hear the other side's perspective of his teachings in action and also good proof of concept.

Furthermore; if you are going to assign homework to readers like "do something overtly physical with every interaction." a more in depth lesson plan should probably be laid out. Like what is too tame and too extreme. "Overtly physical" is a definition with a huge spectrum of subdivision.

In any career one chooses to undertake there comes responsibility to carry out the position in the most ethically responsible and yet still profitable, economical and growth-based way to ensure the company flourishes.

Yes, often positions of power abuse the option to turn a blind eye in order to acquire nothing more than personal gain, but they are almost always publicly brought to justice. Furthermore; a terrible person to put the safety of others at risk for their own personal gain.

The career of a pick up artist is one of the most delicate ones to navigate as how shock value articles gain viewers and publicity - but ultimately, if one of your students is mentally unstable and hurts another person believing they were following the word of your teaching you could be held legally financially responsible. Though you teach fun and games you should never forget that the girl you or your student accompanies during these "lessons" or those interactions thereafter come from family, friends and a legal system that will investigate to the fullest if questionable incidents occur.

So it may not be the smartest headline of Tony's article to title it "Shut up and touch her" and base a business around it. One, of which, I'm fairly positive is less than legal tax-wise and license-wise.

The bottom line is this:

This advice is from a "Professional" aiming to teach you confidence.

Does the first step to becoming a confident, self reliant, strong individual include forking over thousands of dollars to a stranger? It doesn't start with handing your hard earned savings to a man you know nothing about that won't outline his lesson plan to you before the financial transaction, sign any contracts or even give a receipt. If he was confident in his business ethics he would do all of the above.

Self confidence is not going out on a Wednesday to a populated area to "Play the numbers" (You can do that on your own) at 3pm when everyone is at work to try to get phone numbers through the goading of a man who just took all your money and stands there saying, "Talk to her!". Self confidence is knowing that you are a smart, complex person that doesn't need to pay to have people like you.

Ask yourself this: If you told a girl you had been seeing/fucking for awhile that you had paid that amount of money to "Learn the art of pick up" do you think she would think more of you? Or less?

In that question lies the answer to whether this is actually beneficial to your social well being. Your personality and worth as a person should not have a price put on it and if you happen to come across the right person for you they will not put a number on your worth as a person but if they find out you took a class to scam chicks (as it's widely viewed) She will probably never trust you and leave you.

What ever you decide to to, good luck and I wish you the best.

Shaunda · 2015-10-25T11:21:51+00:00

TLDR is a hilarious comment coming from someone who wrote a book and prides himself on being "Well read"

Title	Shut Up And Touch Her
Author	TonyDAbsolute
Upvotes	3
Comments	3
Date	October 21, 2015 3:38 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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