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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
It's really simple, why would settle for someone that would have rejected you when she was younger if you can get somebody younger and more attractive?
Now, most men can't do this. They'll settle, or got MGTOW.
But if you are a wealthy alpha, no way are you going to settle for used goods.
Also, you think back to your poor bluepill beta days and recall all the bitches that scorned you, and now you want them to SUFFER. It's about justice. Where would the justice be if the whore that fucked the entire football team got to slink down the altar with you? And are we really to think that leopards will change their spots? In all likelihood, the woman will become dissatisfied with her "boring" "safe" spouse, will get the itch, and start cheating, and/or divorce the beta, take half, get the house, and the kids, etc. etc.
At least with a younger woman, you have an edge in terms of age and experience, so you may be able to curb her more obnoxious tendencies. A woman your own age will constantly try to boss you around, or view you as her "equal," which really means "less-than-equal."
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for the response.
If a woman rejected me because of her own likes, then it is not any of my concern. When people grow older, they wake up to the harsh realities of the world. Would you hate a 10 year old boy for ignoring your advice on studying? You probably wouldn't. You know that he doesn't know any better because of his age. Likewise, many women who are in their early 20s do not have a sense of what qualities they should be chasing (like most men that age). Most of us are ignorant at that age and it is likely that we wouldn't know better.
I would recognise that the woman gained a bit more knowledge on how the world works and accept it. Why would you care if she wasn't having sex with you 10 years ago? The fact of the matter is that you can have sex with her now.
Even a bitch scorned me, I wouldn't want her to suffer. What's the point? Stroking your ego isn't going to help in life, is it? There are plenty of people with more power and money than me who will attack me and probably try to humiliate me for their own twisted pleasure. If I respond to all of them, what do I gain?
By no means am I suggesting that you marry a whore, but if she is a respectable woman with a handful of serious relationships, then why shouldn't you date her?
Also, if you hold your frame correctly, then why can't you simply deflect her shit tests? If you are not bothered, then dump her.
[–]WAFC 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So I can have sex with someone who would have rejected me when she was young and hot...or I can have sex with someone who is still young and hot.
Things never heard: "Oh your life experience makes me so hard!"
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A woman doesn't have to turn ugly by the time she is 30. I have mentioned other advantages of dating women who are of a similar age in my initial post.
Her life experience isn't going to strengthen your erection, but it will help to create a stronger relationship. A person who has varied experiences is likely to be a better partner than someone who is still relatively new to the world.
[–]WAFC 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A woman doesn't have to turn ugly by the time she is 30.
But she almost definitely won't be as firm and hot as someone ten years her junior.
I have mentioned other advantages of dating women who are of a similar age in my initial post.
None of which matter to most men.
Simply false according to studies often posted here on TRP. Experienced women are a one-way trip to divorce rape. Your best bet is to get them young, before they've hopped on the carousel.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A woman doesn't have to turn ugly by the time she is 30
No but she will soon. If I am going for an LTR, thats a long term investment. A hot 23 year old gets much more time as attractive than a 30 year old.
What do you mean by "experience"? Because studies show that relationships are more likely to fail the more partners she had had.
[–][deleted] 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
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Many posts in this section have discussed how women behave as they approach 'The Wall'. They start seeking out a beta provider who has a stable job and acquires a large amount of money. Don't these actions show that women recognise the important qualities when they grow older? They realise that having a provider is more important than having a playboy. This reality isn't fully accepted by all women, but it is accepted by many of them.
[–]InfraredPillpusher 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It doesn't stop them from wanting (and, often, fucking) the playboy.
"Likewise, many women who are in their early 20s do not have a sense of what qualities they should be chasing (like most men that age). Most of us are ignorant at that age and it is likely that we wouldn't know better."
No, you are WRONG. They know EXACTLY what they are doing. Just like the guy that fucks lots of skanks because he's not ready to settle down with a "nice" girl.
Everyone told them what to look for: their parents, the authorities, the schools, etc. etc.
Maybe part of it is rebellion against being told what to do.
You know what? I don't care. I don't want some 30+ year old who slutted it up in the past if I can get with a younger woman who isn't a slut.
A woman who has, as you put it, a handful or relationships, is in a separate category, but is still subject to heightened scrutiny.
Finally, you can't compare them to 10 year old children; they're adults. Part of the reason we have these problems is because of the soft bigotry of low expectations where we let them do whatever the fuck they want with no consequences.
[–][deleted] 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
You make some very valid points, but I am going to have to question some of them.
You write that the varied experiences will often be the different men she has been around, but is this always the case? There are many educated and cultured women, but I agree that the vast majority of women have had their fair share of men.
It is entirely possible to have a 19 year old with more life experience than a 28 year old, but isn't that a rare situation? If I speak to a woman of my age, it is likely that she will have less life experience than an older woman. There are exceptions of course.
About the point on beauty, I asked why it is the most important one. You wrote that all of the attractive qualities can be cultivated in a younger woman, but isn't it difficult? Even if she is naive and impressionable, won't manipulating her require immense effort? In addition, there is the question of morality. Manipulating a woman to be my ideal one feels wrong to me as it violates my personal code of behaviour. I'm sure others would feel the same way as well.
The point on risks of older women giving birth is correct. I concede defeat on that one.
One of the big points in the red pill is that people don't change themselves very much as they age(and most don't).
Instead, we opt to develop ways to encourage good behaviors and limit negative ones. Younger women are easier to change.
[–]FortunateBum 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If we consider the purpose of marriage to be to bring about healthy progeny and entrench a relationship, then why does it matter if the woman is old? (in her 30s)
There's this little thing called reality which gets in the way. A mid-30s woman is facing down menopause. Many women hit the change in their mid-30s. 35+ is considered a "geriatric birth" with many negative consequences for babies.
Do whatever you like, but I'm not going to sugarcoat reality for you like the rest of western society. Mother nature intended us to have babies at around 16. For a woman, 25 is the start of a steep decline. By 35 she's a really old mom.
Sure, some women will give birth into their 40s or even 50s, but biologically speaking, a young mother is healthiest.
[–]InfraredPillpusher 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This means she's focused on children. Her priorities are for a provider, not a lover. She's still attracted to the (exciting but broke) Stud, but will marry the (boring but wealthy/secure) Dud. After the kid arrives, she'll be even more focused on her child and less on her husband (with often predictable results).
Why not build those meaningful, edifying life experiences together with a younger woman? Seems you have a better chance at creating a foundation of mutual attraction and shared experiences rather than filling a desperate need for a provider.
Personally, I encourage the betas to marry these women. Less burden on the state (and the alphas that still get an occasional ride).
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for the response. I have read that the average age of menopause in the UK is 51. (http://www.patient.co.uk/health/menopause-and-hrt-leaflet).
I agree that a young mother is healthiest, but is 30 too old? Our medical expertise has improved vastly in the past century and things that were not possible before (e.g. test tube babies) have become part of our new reality. Can't childbirth adapt as well?
[–]FortunateBum 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My opinion is that we have far too much faith in medicine to solve every health problem.
Go do the research yourself and you will see that health problems significantly increase at 35. Not only with the birth, but the health of the child is impaired.
Like I said, ideally, we all start families at 16. The western lifestyle opposes this. Do what you like, but understand the gravity of the choices you're making.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I understand why this is an issue for some Red Pillers and I concede defeat on this particular point.
[–]draketton 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Every man wants a unicorn, but you'll never find one by approaching a bunch of women and relying on dumb luck. Your only hope is to find a young woman fresh out of high school, dig your hooks in, and raise her to be the woman you want before modern culture can destroy her soul.
Thanks for the response.
You don't have to rely on dumb luck. You simply have to increase your Actual Value. In addition to maintaining a solid frame every moment, strive to advance in your career and make something out of yourself. Work on your appearance as well.
Won't you be better placed to choose a good woman then?
[–]WAFC 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
None of that changes what a good woman is.
Why go to such lengths to increase your Actual Value and then set up shop with someone of lesser value? Not logical.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I would argue that you are not choosing someone of lesser value. Even though her appearance may have become less appealing, her other qualities (faithfulness, skill at child rearing, homemaking ability, ability to provide stimulating conversation) outweigh it. It is harder to find those qualities in younger women.
I would argue that you are not choosing someone of lesser value.
Then you're arguing against core TRP philosophy. Good luck with that.
faithfulness
Again, the idea that faithfulness increases with age and experience is directly contradictory to TRP.
skill at child rearing
She acquired this, how? She's a single mom? And you still claim she isn't lower value? LOL
homemaking ability
I can teach a 20 year-old how to cook. I can't teach a 30 year-old to be firm.
ability to provide stimulating conversation
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Enjoy your post-wall reformed sluts, man. They're all yours.
[–]ModMachiavellianRed[M] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Questions like this belong in /r/asktrp
Removed.
My apologies. I thought that this was not related to anything personal or situational.
[–]ModMachiavellianRed[M] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No worries, no harm done.
If it's personal/situational OR it's something we assume you should already know having read the sidebar, eg: a noob question then it should be asked in /r/asktrp. Otherwise every time we get a bunch of new subs they flood the sub with basic level questions and it irritates everyone.
Hope you found the answer you were looking for.
Thanks. I have posted it in r/asktrp.
[–]_Fony_ 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
many men want young women in general....
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post was questioning those assumptions. Do you have anything in particular to write about my comments?
[–]1sailorJery 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
By the age of 30, most women have already lost 90% of their viable eggs. Why bother?
I have mentioned some possible reasons in my initial post.
[–]aphelion3342 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All men want younger women. Men who don't have to settle won't.
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