Shogun method

Woujo · 2017-04-28T02:07:56+00:00

First of all, didn't you already make a thread about the Shogun method and have it already get deleted.

Second, I googled "Shogun Method" and saw this:

How To Use Military-Grade Mind Control Technology To Dominate A Woman And Enslave Her Emotionally

You would have an asshole to want to do this and an idiot to think that this would work. Don't you think if this was real it would be on the news and stuff?

Come on.

IntrovertedBadass · 2017-04-28T03:41:03+00:00

Intention is more important than technique man. If you're intention is to dominate women and enslave them, you can learn whatever style you want. it won't work because you are coming from a Misogynistic frame and women feel your intentions.

leylinesisop · 2017-05-24T02:37:52+00:00

First of all, Derek advertises his proiduct way different than it really is. People who really believe it's complete hypnosis or mind control/forceful stuff believe this because they haven't read it.

At the end of the day, shogun is VERY similar to other pickup stuff you guys use, trust me. Also, from my own experience, it DOES work. u/recyclablebanthas , it does sound like a very scammy program, but the actual product is way different than what it sounds like and looks like on ads. It's honestly really similar to pick up and seduction books, and the sequences make a lot of sense. The "hypnosis" and all of that is honestly kind of bs, but it still works and you only need to use logic when reading it to see that.

Second of all, 2 entire modules of the main 4 (Rapport and attraction), are based on upping your attractiveness, and not about lowering anyone. So it is also about bettering yourself and being more attractive, js. From everyone that i know that has actually used it (and my personal experience), it DOES work.

Derek really oversells the "dark" aspect of the method. It's not nearly as dark or manipulative as he makes it sound, it can just be exploited by assholes, that's all.

recyclablebanthas · 2017-04-30T07:48:42+00:00

You want a review of it? Okay.

_1: NLP has been debunked, and hypnosis doesn't work without some compliance that renders it pointless_

With regard to hypnosis, people aren't dense. You can't just put someone into a suggestive state without their continued cooperation at a number of occasions. You can't force someone to relax. And if they refuse to comply in any number of ways, then it's not happening. It's a lot of wasted energy, because if someone is willing to comply enough for you to hypnotize them, then you don't even need to hypnotize them; it's overkill and predatory besides that.
Re: NLP. Yeah, it's been discredited rather soundly. Repeatedly.

_2: All of this has happened before...._

You should have searched Seddit. This topic is a re-hash of threads that have come before.

_3: The overall idea behind this method is busted_

Beyond the broken nature of trying to use pseudo-science and hypnosis to get a girl, the philosophy behind trying to "enslave" a girl is questionable for a number of reasons.

Let's assume you want to be a better person. You can do this by:

Trying to better yourself.
Or by trying to bring others down in comparison. That's what this "method" is about: using "military-grade" mind control to "dominate" someone and "enslave" them. It encourages bringing someone down so they can be controlled. This is a losing game because it takes energy away from making yourself better and bringing others down is a game that never ends. So much more efficient to just elevate yourself.

Not to mention, let's say you bring someone down and "enslave" them. Congratulations. You are in a relationship/an interaction with someone that is a crippled human being. And you did it to them. Self-respect and respect for her, kiss them good-bye.

_4: He seems to be making stuff up_

Not to mention, his website has some real bullshit.

He claims he found a "secret" group called MKDelta. MKDelta did exist, but as part of the MKUltra program. It was the CIA's plan for implimenting the mind control techniques they used in MKUltra (a mind control program they created in the 50s-70s) abroad in other countries. It's like he didn't think anyone would Google up the things he was mentioning as part of his sales pitch.
He claims that "a woman has absolutely NO CONTROL over who to fall in love with," but then makes the false claim that someone else can gain control over that. Fact is, a person can affect their own attraction levels, even if the initial chemistry is something that "just happens". Not to mention, we're all human, so by his "logic," someone could take control over who you "fall" for. The idea of someone trying to make someone fall in love with them is as old as time, and has been debunked ad nauseum.

Title	Shogun method
Author	Mister363636
Upvotes	0
Comments	9
Date	April 28, 2017 1:15 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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