How fast should I escalate it with girls? I don't have an alpha male vibe, I just don't. I am skinny and don't have a deep voice and don't have a square jaw. I just don't evoke that raw lust in girls. The only time I can get a girlfriend is if I go for a girl much less attractive than myself and she uses hypergamy to show me off to their friends as a status symbol me due to my relatively much better looking face. But at the same time, I know that sexual attraction of a man mainly comes from his body, and I am skinny and don't evoke that raw lust in women. So they are not that attracted to me, they just want to use me as a status symbol.

Due to these facts, I obviously will not get away with doing stuff like kissing on the first date, I have to take it slow. But my question is if a girl gives me a 2nd date, should I go in for the kiss some time during or after the date? I am afraid if I don't, I will be friendzoned, but if I do, it might be too fast.

What is the most number of dates that a girl would possibly expect you to wait until you go for the kiss/try to flirt with her in a sexual way?

Once I went for the kiss at the end of the 3rd date with a girl yet she rejected it. That was pretty weird though because during the whole 3rd date we were flirting and touching and she was clearly reciprocating and I clearly got the message that she even found me physically attractive because she was clearly flirting and touching me and giggling, but she rejected my kiss. Later on she said she wasn't sure if I "just wanted to get into her pants" and that is why she rejected the kiss. But I ended it because if I couldn't even get a kiss from her after 3 dates then it was not worth it for me to pursue her.

So that kind of confused me. Not sure how long I should wait. How normal is it for a girl to reject your kiss on the 2nd or 3rd date? I use online dating and it is very rare for me to ever make it to a 2nd date (despite all my 1st dates going well, it is just that on online dating there is too much choice for girls so they find a more attractive guy and ghost you for him sooner or later) so I don't wanna screw it up on the blue moon's that I get a 2nd date.