So not seeing relationships or sex as a conquest or a goal has been a big recurring theme on here I've noticed when it comes to attraction.

I dont get how that's possible. Especially if your someone with no relationship experience like myself. Even approaching a girl is a big "win" in my head. I'd be lying to myself if I said I dont see seduction as that. I do things that I havent done before and it is a personal conquest of my fear of sorts.

Another line of thinking is that you should be so involved in self improvement and your own aspirations and goals that you just dont care. But I dont think that's true either. I've made tremendous self improvement and try to do more then average. Yet because I still suck in this one area of seduction it bothers me and is an area i feel like I HAVE to do something about. You cant just be like "Work out and do hour thing bro. Who gives a fuck about what women thnk.". I mean......if you want to get somewhere with them you obviously do. Of course you dont place all your being and esteem on them but you'll definitely change and tweak things if your continually failing to get better with them. Hence why so many otherwise successful guys come here. Women may be a supplement to lead a successful life but you definitely still want it.

So yeah maybe someone can explain this better to me. I really would want to get better at seduction and it would be a conquest of something I sucked at. How are others not seeing it as a conquest?