I talked with feminists about mens right

rabel111 · 2025-05-09T00:53:21+00:00

Feminism is Turkey is very different from feminism in Western cultures. It's easy to be generous and recognise discrimination against others, when you are the victim of such pronounced discrimination.

When women in Turkey have more equality, more power, similar to Western cultures, that's when feminist generosity will evaporate, just like in Western cultures. Many men help Women's Liberation in Western cultures. They have all been erased from feminist histories.

wumbo-inator · 2025-05-10T07:13:57+00:00

If gender equality is truly for both genders, then it doesn’t need to be gendered. Therefore feminism is not the answer, and neither is men’s rights. Rather, egalitarianism and gender abolition is the answer.

Both men’s issues and women’s issues come from the same system of gender roles. And the gender roles that men have, are partnered with a reciprocal gender role women have (women emotional, men emotionless... women protected, men protector.... women provided for, men provider... women weak, men strong)

True gender equality for one sex relies on gender equality for the other sex. Dissolving gender roles for only one sex “feminism” will actively harm men because it means that men will have to live a paradox where they’re expected to embody gender roles when it hurts them but benefits women, and abandon gender roles when it hurts them and benefits women. This means that a man will never be able to act correctly, because he will always be in conflict with the paradox he’s been subjected to.

A good example is the demand that women make as much money as men and aren’t discriminated against in the workplace, but without tackling the gender role that men are financially objectified. Now men must simultaneously make more than women (by women’s own preferences), but if he makes more than women it is misogyny. This has caused a huge dating issue because women now refuse to date men that make as much as them, despite demanding that they make as much as men.

Another example is how women want to be liberated from the home and not get an unfair burden when it comes to child-rearing, yet at the same time the issue of men being seen as lesser parents is not addressed nearly as much. So now men are simultaneously engaging in misogyny if their wife has to do more at home or with the family, but he is seen as a lesser parent and often times by his own wife is seen mainly as a provider.

To quote Warren Farrell: “A row boat that rows more on one side is a boat that goes in circles”

You cannot have gender equality for only one gender, because the gender roles have always been reciprocal to each other. One sex being liberating from their gender roles while another stays confined to them will lead to the paradox that I describe, and the boat that Warren describes.

Those are one of the more benign examples, but I also believe that this paradox that makes men constantly feel unappreciated, demonized, and abandoned, has contributed significantly to their appalling suicide rates (that still gets less attention than women being catcalled or ogled)

SaltSpecialistSalt · 2025-05-09T14:44:41+00:00

First of all it is great that you are trying see a problem from different angles. That shows you are an empathetic person and have good character. Also congrats for your efforts on bringing mens issues to feminist meetings, that takes huge courage honestly.

Even though I applaud your efforts, to be honest I dont think feminism can be reconciled with men or mens issues . Feminism is fundamentally flawed on many levels to be a solution gender based problems. I have shared my thoughts on this in another thread somewhere else so will paste them here

Lot of issues with feminism both theoretical and practical level. First of all lets start with the defining what feminism is. Feminism is a political ideology with many branches all of them sharing the core idea that "being a man is a privilege and women are oppressed by men" . On theoretical level this is a very perverted interpretation of history and human societies that dismisses the biological facts and historical conditions that shaped how human societies function. This fake privilege of men and constructed oppression of women denies any empathy to men and does not acknowledge the disadvantages men has faced in history or facing right now. On practical level feminism is a cash cow for their controllers with many people benefiting financially from this constructed oppression that if they had to admit things are not that bad for women they will loose relevance . So in order to make money flow they constantly need to feed hate and fear into women towards men. Feminists see men and women as two disconnected groups fighting for power instead of acknowledging and cherishing the inseparable bond between the two and their cooperation for the common good.

Also I suggest maybe consume some content done by ex feminists to understand why feminism cannot be reconciled with men. you can start with the following documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7MkSpJk5tM

Fair-Might-5473 · 2025-05-09T15:02:27+00:00

If you're Turkish. then I think that women's right is your last problem in Turkey at this point. It's a luxury considering the current situation.

Clan-Destin · 2025-05-09T00:21:18+00:00

What is described there is an ideal and it gives some hope

kremphine · 2025-05-09T13:47:51+00:00

That's great! I'm glad there are people like you who genuinely care about equality for everyone.

Ytringsfrihet · 2025-05-10T10:16:39+00:00

Why are you a feminist? If you are for equality between the sexes you shouldnt be part of a female supremacy movement.

WeEatBabies · 2025-05-09T03:37:08+00:00

Feminism must be stopped!!!

I don't know why you are here, go back to your hate subs!

Title	I talked with feminists about mens right
Author	Charming-News-966
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Date	May 8, 2025 11:41 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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