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SwanOfAvon22 · 2013-03-06T22:07:14+00:00

It's easy to get mired in a sea of crazy, and feel like you're either the only sane person in an insane world or you've lost your mind and...

SwanOfAvon22

March 6, 2013

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Title	YSK - /r/TumblrInAction/
Author	SwanOfAvon22
Upvotes	7
Comments	13
Date	March 6, 2013 10:07 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/19swm2/ysk-rtumblrinaction/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/ysk-rtumblrinaction.1607633 https://theredarchive.com/post/1607633

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[–]EvilPundit4 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Grapeban2 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]SwanOfAvon220 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yah, because there's nothing hateful about a subreddit that counts "genderfluid" and "genderqueer" as tags that help you find "the crazy of SJA"

Don't forget feminism. These things do tend to bring out the crazy in people.

And there's nothing hateful about a subreddit that upvotes things that mock genderqueer people! http://www.reddit.com/r/TumblrInAction/comments/191r4j/the_genderqueers_have_their_own_meme_or_image/

Are genderqueer people above being mocked?

And y'know, there's nothing hateful about mocking people who use non-standard pronouns or anything.

Agreed.

I don't expect you and I would ever see eye to eye on this, but I don't think there's anything inherently hateful about making fun of people, especially when they so richly deserve it. I suppose you're in the "You can never joke about rape" camp that blew up this past year against Daniel Tosh. Fine, so be it; you can have your own brand of comedy.

Do you believe that none of the people being mocked by that subreddit are crazy? When Sandra Harding, a prominent academic feminist, calls Newton's Principia Mathemtica a "rape manual," is she being a good, patriarchy-smashing feminist, or is she being crazy?

[–]Grapeban1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Are genderqueer people above being mocked?

Well, yes, how are they not? People are going, "look, the genderqueers (sic) have their own little inside joke thing, laugh at them!"

And if that's not mocking, this definitely is

What my boyfriend said upon seeing this, "These people just want to be a pain in everyone else's ass."

Yes, expressing my gender identity is just about me being a pain in someone's ass.

Don't forget feminism. These things do tend to bring out the crazy in people.

Uh-huh, so stuff to do with genderqueer and genderfluid people "tend[s] to bring out the crazy". So not hateful, so not hateful. This comment also is not hateful I'm sure

How do I tell these people that I don't give a fuck what their gender is? When I use m/f b/g I'm referring to your sex. I'm always referring to your sex.

See, they're just refusing to acknowledge someone's gender identity, perpetuating the idea that you can't change sex and generally being a cisprivileged ass! There's nothing wrong with that, surely?

but I don't think there's anything inherently hateful about making fun of people,

When the joke is, "They want to be recognised as the gender they are!" then yeah, that's hateful.

Though, I suppose it's no longer bad for me to laugh at circumcision, at abused men or at men being raped, according to you?

Do you believe that none of the people being mocked by that subreddit are crazy?

I never said that. But genderqueer people most definitely are not "crazy" and that subreddit just attacks anyone it doesn't understand.

[–]SwanOfAvon220 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well, yes, how are they not? People are going, "look, the genderqueers (sic) have their own little inside joke thing, laugh at them!"

No, they aren't. No one is. And the second you start to say, "You can laugh at x but not y!" you've instantly made y the funnier thing to laugh at.

I don't know who you are quoting with the "What my boyfriend said upon seeing this," but it isn't me. Regardless, you are conflating them being made fun of for the patently ridiculous things they think (thin privilege? no such thing as "healthy"? multiple souls?) with hatred. Mockery ≠ hatred. Period.

Uh-huh, so stuff to do with genderqueer and genderfluid people "tend[s] to bring out the crazy". So not hateful, so not hateful. This comment also is not hateful I'm sure

Not hateful, accurate. I refer, once more, to Sandra Harding calling Isaac Newton's Principia Mathematica, one of the most important documents in mathematics (hell, in history) a "rape manual." What is this if not crazy? It certainly isn't logic. And she is far from the exception...in fact, she's a tenured academic and celebrated feminist "thinker."

Though, I suppose it's no longer bad for me to laugh at circumcision, at abused men or at men being raped, according to you?

You can laugh at anything you want. Just don't hold a double standard whereby some things can be funny and/or the fit subject of humor, and other things cannot be. I take circumcision very seriously (as seriously as I take rape, or homophobia, or racism) but that doesn't mean I can't laugh at jokes about these things.

But genderqueer people most definitely are not "crazy" and that subreddit just attacks anyone it doesn't understand.

I'm sorry, because I spent all of one day on that subreddit, and 99% of the posts I found were about "thin privilege" or about people claiming to have animal spirits residing within them. I'm sure there are probably posts in there that cross the line, but you cannot equate making fun of someone who is black/gay/transgender/a man/a woman with making fun of being gay, black, transgender, a man or a man. It's simply a logical fallacy.

[–]Grapeban1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]SwanOfAvon220 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes, because that's what I said. I said all genderqueer and genderfluid folk are crazy. Yup. You have good reading comprehension (No, you don't. You're an idiot....just in case you can't detect sarcasm either)

Sandra Harding has said many ignorant, non-sensical (crazy!) things, and that didn't hurt her career, as it would in any serious discipline; instead, it helped it. It's something of a requirement in our post-modern academic world, but that's a huge digression.

You clearly have not spent more than 5 minutes on that subreddit, or you sympathize with people who think their weight is not their responsibility, believe they have animal spirits inside them, or multiple souls. My god, it's frightening to me how ludicrous those beliefs are, and how they are enabled by too few people willing to stand up and call bullshit. That's why I applaud that subreddit. Go fuck yourself

[–]Grapeban1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Sandra Harding has said many ignorant, non-sensical (crazy!) things, and that didn't hurt her career, as it would in any serious discipline; instead, it helped it. It's something of a requirement in our post-modern academic world, but that's a huge digression.

I don't give a fucking shit about Sandra Harding! Why do you keep bring her up?

Yes, because that's what I said. I said all genderqueer and genderfluid folk are crazy. Yup. You have good reading comprehension (No, you don't. You're an idiot....just in case you can't detect sarcasm either)

Well, your justification for lumping genderfluid and genderqueer people into the "tags where there be crazy people" list is that this feminist once said something crazy.

you sympathize with people who think their weight is not their responsibility

Sorry, how is acknowledging that thin people are treated better in society not taking responsibility for their weight?

That's why I applaud that subreddit. Go fuck yourself

Yes, because they're such dangerous people, those people wanting to be referred to by pronouns that reflect their gender, or have views about themselves that maybe you disagree with, maybe you think aren't true that don't harm anyone. It must be awful for you, sat up thinking how these people who are doing absolutely nothing to no-one aren't being told to shut the fuck up and be normal.

[–]SwanOfAvon220 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

bahahahahaha. I guess the joke is on me for wasting time with a troll, but here goes...

I don't give a fucking shit about Sandra Harding! Why do you keep bring her up?

Because she is a classic example of why "feminism" is a good tag to search for if you're looking for crazy? Google the "sokal hoax" for a wonderful take down of the fraud that is academic feminism

Well, your justification for lumping genderfluid and genderqueer people into the "tags where there be crazy people" list is that this feminist once said something crazy.

You seem to misunderstand the point of those tags. It would be like saying "search 'Republcan' on Tumblr" to find crazy. It doesn't mean all Republicans are crazy, but it would be an effective method of finding crazy stuff, since so much of mainstream Republicanism in the 21st century is anti-science, anti-commonsense. The left is no better. Again, I'd point to a book like "Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and Its Quarrels with Science" for a good overview of this. Either way, it doesn't mean that that subreddit thinks all those people are crazy...it just so happens that the tumblr-faction of them happen to be self-righteous asshats spouting nonsense.

Sorry, how is acknowledging that thin people are treated better in society not taking responsibility for their weight?

You are clearly demonstrating you have no familiarity with /r/tumblrinaction, as even in the last week there have been multiple posts from Tumblr of fat people talking about how genetics are to blame, not their lifestyle choices or eating habits. They don't believe we're biologically programmed to be attracted to people who are not morbidly obese; in fact, they think we are CONDITIONED by "culture" to prefer thin people. If you had even a passing familiarity with biology, that would strike you as every bit anti-science as any Republican's assertions that the world is only 10,000 years old

Yes, because they're such dangerous people, those people wanting to be referred to by pronouns that reflect their gender, or have views about themselves that maybe you disagree with, maybe you think aren't true that don't harm anyone. It must be awful for you, sat up thinking how these people who are doing absolutely nothing to no-one aren't being told to shut the fuck up and be normal.

Actually, immense harm IS DONE be people not taking any personal responsibility for their lives (healthcare costs alone for the morbidly obese will be astronomical). Believing in amorphous things like the "patriarchy," believing in your own oppression (fat people are oppressed? give me a fucking break) or victim-hood enables the most grievous breaches of freedom of speech (see the UofT Warren Farrell protest...) or rights of the accused (see the "dear colleague" letter and all the bs that has engendered). I could reduce my position to one thing: believing in things without argument or evidence is harmful and dangerous, and in that one phrase the whole of the AAUW, NOW and a majority of the humanities programs in Western universities would be at fault.

[–]Grapeban1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Because she is a classic example of why "feminism" is a good tag to search for if you're looking for crazy? Google the "sokal hoax" for a wonderful take down of the fraud that is academic feminism

I'm not talking about the feminism tag. I'm talking about the genderfluid and genderqueer tags.

Defend their listing without referencing the feminism tag.

Either way, it doesn't mean that that subreddit thinks all those people are crazy...it just so happens that the tumblr-faction of them happen to be self-righteous asshats spouting nonsense.

Except they do, I refer you back to the upvoted comment where someone's boyfriend though they were just "pains in the ass"

They don't believe we're biologically programmed to be attracted to people who are not morbidly obese

Except what about people who are attracted to obese people?

fat people are oppressed? give me a fucking break

Where as men being oppressed, that's totally real! Fat people being harassed and bullied in the streets without people caring? That's just biology!

I could reduce my position to one thing: believing in things without argument or evidence is harmful and dangerous

It's times like this when I completely understand "Die Cis Scum".

[–]SwanOfAvon220 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm not talking about the feminism tag. I'm talking about the genderfluid and genderqueer tags.

And I am arguing that they are there for the same reason....that patently nonsensical things get posted under their auspices.

Except they do, I refer you back to the upvoted comment where someone's boyfriend though they were just "pains in the ass"

Except they don't. Just like people who laugh at rape don't actually think rape isn't horrible...I can't speak to every single person or comment on that subreddit, but if you're trying to paint the whole thing as hateful, you're way off base.

Except what about people who are attracted to obese people?

I am not going to give you a biology lesson.

Where as men being oppressed, that's totally real! Fat people being harassed and bullied in the streets without people caring? That's just biology!

To begin with, I think the word "oppressed" is greatly overused. Men are not "oppressed." Women are not "oppressed." Oppressed, to my mind, is Jews in Europe, women prior to certain laws/reforms, and black people in pre-civil rights America. If I was asked to name which group of people has it hardest in America right now, I would probably say blacks or latinos, but I would still balk at any notion that they are "oppressed." Show me the law that prejudices fat people and we can talk about "oppression." Being made fun of is not oppression. Furthermore, "biology" does not justify poor behavior. It might explain it, as in the case of rape, but that doesn't make it moral or ethical, or in any way condone it.

It's times like this when I completely understand "Die Cis Scum"

Yes, because it's so terrible to hew to facts and logic rather than emotional arguments.

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