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[–]LeWestopher4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's an investment that has no ROI - a distraction. The quote is a bit long, but I think C.S. Lewis said it best:
"For me the real evil of masturbation would be that it takes an appetite which, in lawful use, leads the individual out of himself to complete (and correct) his own personality in that of another (and finally in children and even grandchildren) and turns it back; sends the man back into the prison of himself, there to keep a harem of imaginary brides.
"And this harem, once admitted, works against his ever getting out and really uniting with a real woman.
For the harem is always accessible, always subservient, calls for no sacrifices or adjustments, and can be endowed with erotic and psychological attractions which no woman can rival. Among those shadowy brides he is always adored, always the perfect lover; no demand is made on his unselfishness, no mortification ever imposed on his vanity.
In the end, they become merely the medium through which he increasingly adores himself. . . . After all, almost the main work of life is to come out of our selves, out of the little dark prison we are all born in. Masturbation is to be avoided as all things are to be avoided which retard this process. The danger is that of coming to love the prison."
[–]captvic1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol so much broscience this thread. There is nothing wrong with masturbation. There has only been one legit study about abstaining from masturbation when your testosterone levels peak on the 7th day and return back to normal after. The only people who are zinc deficient are vegetarians so don't worry about that. Porn is what fucks you up. Your brain is mentally stimulated by the exciting images you see in porn and you get used to these images. So when you can't get it up when you're with a girl because your brain receptors are used to the girls in porn.
[–]Modern__Day__Pricus0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have a way of looking at it. Not my entire view on it. Just a slice of a much larger pie.
Overall, I say it exposes women in a way if you know how to look at it. Sure, it is all fantasy and not real but, to a degree this is what women would enjoy doing if they would not be shamed for it.
I am not saying so much as gangbang but, more so beta at home taking care of the kids, and the type of dick she wants on the side while having fans, being paid, and no social shame for what she does.
Kind of how it is now in a way if you think about it.
The lines are a tad bit blurred. Only difference women are not taped on video like Porn stars are being ta....... Oops. Never mind. Not even that makes them different in this era.
Ha.
http://associationofchronos.com/2014/09/05/the-porn-star/
[–]markasstrick1230 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Watching porn is beta. Look at ape society. The betas watch the alpha mating with the females off in the distance, stroking their cocks. Quit watching that crap and go get laid.
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[–]Sweetmoe0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Are those androgen receptors for T blocked after having sex?
[–]yeahweewee0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
porn is a dopamine addiction and has been proven to cause ED in men as early as their late teens
[–]abdada0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Porn is what your plate is filming with you on her smartphone so she can show off to her sorority sisters.
[–]Position5hero-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Sure.
Porn and masturbation in general is shit.
Every time you blow a load, you lose zinc. Zinc equals gains. If you're sacrificing gains, it had BETTER be on a pretty girl's face, or it's not worth it.
In addition, it drives your standards up, makes you apathetic towards girls, and less likely to hit on them, cause you can just you know, go home and watch porn.
No fap should be TRP core.
[–]JustReward1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
WTF? Zinc? http://i.imgur.com/qrhb6mF.jpg
But seriously, can you link me to a reputable source that describes the effect of ejaculation on muscle building?
Edit: Eh I'll just answer my own shit: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/does-sex-effect-muscle-growth.htm
It does say that zinc is released and it casually mentions you should therefore eat high zinc foods. But it also has this contradictory advice
For most men, the more frequently they are engaging in sex, the higher their libido levels tend to be. If a large break is taken for whatever reason, at first libido will increase, but over time if release is not achieved, levels may begin to drop. Since testosterone levels are one of the primary predictors of muscle growth and development, having higher levels in the body will help to induce greater muscle gains.
For most men, the more frequently they are engaging in sex, the higher their libido levels tend to be. If a large break is taken for whatever reason, at first libido will increase, but over time if release is not achieved, levels may begin to drop.
Since testosterone levels are one of the primary predictors of muscle growth and development, having higher levels in the body will help to induce greater muscle gains.
So this would imply there's a sweet spot with ejaculation. They claim that too little and you lose testosterone over time, and therefore muscle building ability. Too much and you lose zinc but gain testosterone, but it's unclear if you can replace the zinc easily and how often you should do it.
In short, I'm still seeking an actual study
[–]Position5hero0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1609752
proof you lose zinc when you nut
proof zinc helps with test levels
http://www.healthline.com/health/testosterone-and-zinc
proof test makes you ripped
http://www.livescience.com/17530-testosterone-treatment-increases-muscle-fuels-debate.html
Everytime you nut, you losing gains my man
[–]JustReward0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
What about the evidence that you cannot replace zinc efficiently enough to offset the amount of zinc you lose when you ejaculate? A bodybuilding diet is high in meat, for the protein, which is also one of the highest forms of zinc.
[–]Position5hero0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
What about the evidence that you cannot replace zinc efficiently enough to offset the amount of zinc you lose when you ejaculate
there's no evidence of that becuase it's not true
[–]JustReward0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
But that was YOUR hypothesis.
If you CAN replace the zinc that you lose with ejaculating, then your claim that you're sacrificing gains by ejaculating only holds true if you don't eat a sufficient quantity of zinc to offset the loss.
[–]Position5hero0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Nah.
Lets say you intake 100X of zinc, and you lose 10x my blowing a load.
You can just eat 20x zinc and be at 110.
But you would have been 120 if you didn't blow that load
[–]JustReward0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So, tell me why you started this conversation by saying that ejaculation is harmful to gains, when what you really meant is ejaculation is harmful to gains if you don't eat a little more zinc.
Hell, why can't you just pop a zinc supplement every time you ejaculate? If what you're saying is true that seems a far more rational approach than simply not ejaculating. Instead of "seeing your gains wasted on her face," you'd just think "there goes 9% of my zinc. I'll just eat an extra portion of beef tonight."
[–]Position5hero0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
i mean I was trying to get the point across, which is don't jack off for 50 deffirent reasons, that being one of them
[–]JustReward0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, you specifically said that ejaculation will negatively affect your ability to grow muscle because it depletes your zinc. That you're "sacrificing gains." I don't care about the 49 other reasons right now, I care about the claim you made. The claim that you turned around on and now say isn't a big deal now because you can just eat a little more zinc to compensate.
Christ.
[–]markasstrick1230 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree, but everyone want's to disagree. When you have sex it gets balanced out with the extreme boost in testosterone and feel good hormones. Mastuebation and porn just kills you and anyone that has a counter argument can go fuck themselves.
[–]2RedPillSafe-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fapping will reduce your testosterone by one third.
It takes a full week to restore your maximum testosterone level.
So if you "have to get some relief" just be smart about it. Time it so if you are going to be doing something fun with women that you are "packing heat" so to speak.
Don't show up to a party empty.
[–]etcomro-5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can't speak for everyone... but it's generally a bad thing. First, the women are typically abused somewhere in their history. Not cool. Then watching it gives you poor expectations of what real women look like naked and what real sex is like. Not to mention, masturbating to it kills your motivation to go get the real thing. No thank you says I.
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