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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Feminisms destruction of male exclusive spaces only made this shit worse.
[–]pantsoffire 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Female only gyms- No problem. Female only book clubs, societies, medical groups- no problem. Female only career options- no problem. But let there be a Male only Official Group and all, corrupt hell breaks loose. How can they claim to be the oppressed gender in these situations? It boggles the mind.
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 17 points18 points19 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
The gym is the funniest one, in mixed gyms women often "get intimidated" by the men working out and get their own couple of hours/day to themselves to use all or a certain part of the gym (dependent on the gym.) You get ladies hour or ladies day or whatever. Reverse that and its a liberal crime. Fact of the matter is, men can meet other men, but often only with women present (sport being the one exception that comes to mind) and we're all familiar with how a woman's presence changes how men behave, that is, they are less candid, open and forthcoming and depending on whether they find the women attractive, they perform to impress or simply become less social and more detached.
[–]pantsoffire 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It is truely bizarre that a group so famous for their forthrightness and confrontational attidtude can so quickly claim "intimidation" and have that accepted... Imagine if the gung ho machismo Sparta could claim the same. Or, conversly the Amazonians. i.e. We WILL fuck your shit up to a person, to a village, to your nation. But, please don't intimidate us with- ... metaphysical shit. It's mind blowing.
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Feminism and its influence on the average woman (even those who are ignorant to feminism) has caused a lot of doublethink to be perpetuated on an almost daily basis. For those who are not particularly logical, imbuing them with doublethink is not a particularly difficult task.
We are strong/independent/equal! (bullshit, but many have come to believe it)
Is believed alongside...
Men are scary and physically stronger than women so women need their own exclusive gym time. (which I believe is true)
So what you have is bullshit and reality mixing together, you claim inferiority under the guise of victimhood in the face of reality to retain privilege/exemption which is validated and acted upon by an innately gender-inequal mechanism possessed by society (men and women caring about and wanting to protect women whilst not possessing the same care for men - thus their concerns are addressed), but then you claim bullshit to simultaneously elevate status by repeating it so much it becomes an act of inculcation "we are equal!" "we are equal!" over and over again for years and years. Then you reconcile these two facets together by saying "we are just as equal BUT we are victims, we are victims because we are oppressed and our inferiority is due to oppression, not due to biological differences that makes us inferior, thus we are only inferior due to factors outside of our control, but innately we are equal and demand to be treated as equal" thus denying the very biological reality of women being shit scared of men pumped-up on T in the gym and going into some debate about nature vs nurture, which we know of course under feminist rhetoric, nurture is the cause of everything and that basically nothing is caused by nature because patriarchy and other ideological rhetoric and blah blah.
So the conclusion: you are not strong/independent/equal because if you were you could share a gym with men without bitching it. Counter-argument: "we are different but still equal" which again, is fallacious. You could say a computer from 10 years ago is different but equal to a computer from the present, but the computer from the present has more processing power/functions. The difference in and of itself creates inequality, that is the correct and truthful logic. That doesn't mean you cannot have an equal baseline of respect for everyone that you meet, but the notion of equality and sameness is a lie. It also, as an act of doublethink, flies in the fact of the "celebrated diversity of multiculturalism" so basically, we have to celebrate the differences of race, whilst saying races are equal, and denying there are any differences in gender/sex, whilst saying the sexes are equal, whilst men of every race have been fundamentally aware over the eons that there are significant differences between men and women, as are women, who under feminism only admit this when they stand to benefit (talk about opportunistic!)
To call that a shit test is to do it a disservice, what it really is IS A MINDFUCK.
Then there's "women are irrational and tend to have higher machiavellian intelligence" - misogyny causing feminist outcry.
But if you reword that to say
"Women are intuitive and have higher emotional intelligence thus they maneuver around people better" - it becomes feminist friendly, which is essentially saying the same thing in subtext by wording it through a different interpretational means, they rely on emotions and can manipulate people, but it's sugar-coated to not be offensive.
It's like Machiavelli himself said in The Prince, vices get spun into virtues to justify immoral behaviour and this alongside doublethink creates an ideology that is not only outrageous but almost unfathomable to the logical mind. The complexity of its contradiction is truly mind-fucking. It does not surprise me some people get mentally ill trying to even comprehend and live out this absurdity. I swear my mind was doing somersaults even trying to put this bullshit into words.
I'll close with this: "“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” - George Orwell
[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think I'm in lesbians with you.
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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You've lost me.
[–]1whatsazipper 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thus we observe the effects of alcohol.
[–]MelodyMyst 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And access to a thesaurus...
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[–]chill_geddy 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now that i think about it my high school had a men's only gym class which was much more hardcore then the regular gym class, I also went to a school for the performing arts as well which makes it even more suprising
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It doesn't seem like they don't want us to bond, they simply don't give a shit about us. We are supposed to be stoic, tough, hardened men, so who needs companionship? Besides, we should be getting it from them, not a bunch of rowdy guys who call each other names and speak I'll of their mothers. Isn't she good enough for you? Its all about them, we don't matter except as wallets/ATMs, and alpha sperm donors.
Women need support groups, friends, and all the other stuff, but men getting together means the women are missing out on something... Its your time and attention. Someone else has it, but its hers to have, not yours to spend with friends.
I had one woman that didn't bitch incessantly about my time spent with friends, and she still managed to isolate me from almost everyone. She needed alone time as much as I did, but I needed far more social time than her. I couldn't hang with married friends because she didn't want to go, and it was always a problem that my wife wasn't there too. My single friends felt out of place because I was married, and they didn't want to get together either. While I was in an east coast city and a member of a car club, I had two nights per month for social time, but we always had a harpy riding along trying to run everything.
[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The funny thing is, that's not even an exaggeration.
My "favorite" feminist forum where I was occasionally lurking once had a discussion about why female exclusive spaces (as many as possible) were just and necessary, while male exclusive spaces (the example was a tea & hookah bar exclusively frequented by adult male Muslims) are of course totally despicable because they were supposed to be an exclusive space to keep out the opressed and marginalized, as opposed to female exclusive spaces which were supposed to protect the same group.
That women would have been as out of place in there as a guy would have been at a SotC marathon totally eluded them. It was a place with a "no ma'ams" policy and that was enough to villify it.
[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Is it really feminism that destroyed it? It's a shit test, at least. Every single man is capable of creating a boys only club or group that meets in secret. There are numerous male only fraternities that have been around for hundreds of years like the Free Masons.
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
that meets in secret.
Yeah, exactly. It has to be informal or underground in some manner as the mainstream institutions, except perhaps boys only schools (note: boys, not men), will not tolerate male only institutions. I wonder why that might be? Male exclusivity is always inferred as misogynistic, there is an irrational fear surrounding men gathering together whom exclude women from their practices. An exception that is mainstream would appear to be sport, although I have heard some ridiculous things about adding women to your team in the U.S. Even on the internet we see people wanting this subreddit shut down because "they're a bunch of misogynists" it's quite funny really to see so many people tar men with a black brush and openly covey opposition of their congregation via a precedent of fear.
[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The Freemasons have secret rituals but they are very much a public organization. People know about them. If some feminist demanded to be "admitted" they would laugh in her face. People will talk shit no matter what. If that's what scares men from congregating then they wouldn't be worth spending time with in the first place.
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I just find it humorous how your attempt to invalidate my point has you pulling the free masons out of your ass, a secret (ironically well known) order that probably embodies less than a tenth of the male population, if not even that, and then furthermore say the reason men don't congregate together is because they're scared (because why blame a systemic ideology? Men are just pussies!) Men become scared after isolation, we're discussing how they become isolated, they are isolated for numerous reasons, feminism plays a significant part in that. Your analysis is short-sighted and dim (or disingenuous if you are not dim) at best.
[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Great, thanks for the personal attack.
I wasn't invalidating your argument. I stated rather matter-of-factly that women try to invade male spaces, but only men can allow them into those spaces. Any attempt to invade an all-male group by a female is a shit test. Some are capable of shrugging it off, others aren't.
Is this sub about self improvement, or about blaming women and feminists for everything? If men need male bonding (and I agree that we do), then go out and make it happen, and ignore feminist harping.
[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Your line of reasoning seemed almost inane and missed the point, which I must stress I do not have a lot of tolerance for, apologies where any offence was caused it was not my intention.
but only men can allow them into those spaces.
Unfortunately politics corrupts what men do to serve individual men, rather than benefit men as a whole. Whilst to their merit women will campaign and do shit to benefit their whole gender (despite when it comes to mates, being in competition) men will sell out their entire gender for pussy/wealth, they do not have the in-group gender bias that women do (psychosocially proven - I'll provide a link if you want) example: wealthy men on average will contribute to women's charities but not men's. Funny when feminism aims a lot of its hate at wealthy men that it is often wealthy men who are their biggest benefactors. Irony seems to be a concept many of them do not comprehend.
Is this sub about self improvement, or about blaming women and feminists for everything?
There's a lot of people, newer members may I add, critical to control the tone and say "don't be bitter" and "don't moan" and all this shit. But being bitter and moaning is a part of why TRP exists, because you can say this crap and cathartically express yourself here without bluepill society policing your speech and condemning you. I've been here a long time, understanding/realising feminism is the cause, accepting that truth and then saying fuck feminism and doing what you want to do on a micro level anyway has always been the initiative, in short, just because you are correctly and logically attributing blame to feminism for many of societies shortcomings, it doesn't mean you cannot rebel against it and do what you want to do anyway (within reason.)
As for many men, they are too weak to rebel against feminist/gynocentric society, too downtrodden, and that is why they're in a men's help group like TRP to begin with, so they can bring themselves up and get to a point where they are strong enough to say "fuck feminism/bluepill society" and function in despite of the truth. Food for thought.
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Didn't sound like a personal attack to me, just that person missing the point entirely.
We need social time as much as anyone, and if we try to have male only time, we are shamed and ostracized for it. It makes it very difficult to have time like that, and it sure as hell can't be public without risking being shunned in your neighborhood, social circle, and even family.
I've been without a social circle for eight years now. I see exactly how the author is right. I have a friend who is farther along and he wants to destroy the world.
[–]Action_Hank1[S] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Pretty good example of why men today need to look out for one another. Gunmen are a sensitive subject, and the media mostly loves to lay the blame on guns or misogyny. Similar to the themes that Mark Manson was getting at with his write-up on school shootings.
[–]pantsoffire 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seems like if there isn't a healthy option for male sociolization some kind end up depending on their own point of view. The hermits (male or female) who spend vast amounts of time with themselves and no one else begin to rely solely on thier point of view... So perhaps we have these wounded, delicate pschys with nowhere to turn to for... "Likeminded" points of view spiraling down their own misguided, self obsessing hole. In no way defending the actions of anyone who injures, let alone kills other human beings.
[–]FallenHighSchoolJock 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Elliot Rodger was only the beginning. Look how many shootings we've had in just two weeks. I predict an exponential increase in incel shooting sprees as more men are made aware of looks-law and hypergamy.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You see many similarities between all the lone spree killers. Columbine, Cho, Breivik and Rodgers (hello NSA) all fit a certain profile not really seen until the incidents happened. Isolation and lack of fulfillment from female interaction seems to be one of them commonalities at least.
The point is that the beginning was long ago, but I don't think we will see a profound increase in killings to be honest. Stuff like the manosphere picks up more and more people. Culture has an evolutionary aspect that sort of "finds a way".
[–]FallenHighSchoolJock -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Elliot Rodger changed things because he was the first shooter to broadcast his frustrations to a wide audience over the internet. He made direct references in his public manifesto to looks law, hypergamy, red pill. I could have wound up having the same mindset as Elliot Rodger but luckily I discovered Evolutionary psychology at a young age and came to terms with it. I didn't become insane or a bitter misogynist rotting on The Red Pill blaming feminism for all his problems and lamenting the fact that women didn't want to be submissive wives worshiping them in kitchens. I don't know how the masses will react to this information though, will we see more shootings? Will a mass realization amongst incels result in a revolution? Will we see an increase in misogyny and a return to the dark ages of female repression, if much of TRP had their way this would be the case.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Breivik had some sections on how feminism had destroyed society. Didn't also Ted Kaczynski get mad at similar things?
Did Rodger mention redpill? I thought he was more into the puahate thing?
[–]FallenHighSchoolJock -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Puahate contains dangerous information regarding Evolutionary Psychology. I believe he mentioned Redpill in his manifesto. The idea that feminism is destroying society (it's not, but it's one of the ridiculous worldviews perpetuated here) is one thing but frustrated young men who learn about the realities of sexual dynamics are likely to use it as an excuse to lash out in anger like the PUAHATE crowd.
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