The Evolution Of A White Knight

AlphaAlpha78

October 5, 2013

84 upvotes

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Title	The Evolution Of A White Knight
Author	AlphaAlpha78
Upvotes	84
Comments	26
Date	October 5, 2013 6:36 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1nspv0/the_evolution_of_a_white_knight/
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[–]destraht 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure where I stand pill wise but if I see a woman in distress then I definitely jump to attention but I won't interject if I think that this is just a typical all-too-routine situation for her. I suppose that I must have been really a big bluepill because I once had a girlfriend who ceaselessly created little problems for me to solve. She kept me quite on the hook this way. Then once I began to comprehend the situation I immediately took a step back and of course she had beat me to it by taking three steps back herself. Well some redpill girlfriends that I've had will lean on me to help them and I'm usually able to solve their problems like a surgeon and then we go back to peace.

Also I think that related to the white knight thing is dealing with impovershed people in developing countries. I've found that its very necessary to have a developed understanding of the situation and that without it I bounced back in forth between feeling pity and resentment for the people. The resentment comes when they continually steal from you - anything that is left about. I didn't like these polar swings in myself but its actually a bit comical to see another person go through it.

Well learning how to conduct myself around really poor people helped me a lot in dealing with problem ridden women. I still like to help people but now I see it more that I don't have an obligation to help random people and that if I do it is purely for my own pleasure and not because I am some great guy who needs to save the world. I still expect quite a lot from certain very close people so there is still plenty of room for disapointment in my life. I haven't worked out how I could somehow not expect certain things from a woman that I want to raise some children with and I'm not sure that there is an easy solution to that one.

[–]Clauderoughly 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]destraht 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I see what you are saying but I've lived in countries where people think less than zero about cops and I much prefer it. That means taking care of things around you so that everyone can enjoy freedom away from the prying eyes of the government. It seems to me that people actually act a lot better when nobody can be sure that they are not going to get royally fucked up on any side of the arrangement. Recently I lived in Lviv, Ukraine for over a year and the civility was great. I'm positive that if a man was outright lording over a woman that entire rooms would turn on the guy. I suppose that for me it really is a mute point though because I don't go to places where the douche bags outnumber decent people to the point that everyone is afraid of everything. I doubt that I would like the women there. Also I don't really like to go out in the US because I think that it is an overall shit experience from what I can get elsewhere. Probably this forum is mostly for men in English speaking countries and I'm mainly here to complete my understanding of why I dislike [Western English speaking countries] so much.

I'll say that I'm not entirely sure if "white knight" only applies to violent situations or can also include a woman simply being pestered by an antagonist.

[edit] I want to add that I do absolutley agree that a White Knight intervening for a woman (whether she needs it or not) simply to score some pussy points is a rather pathetic gesture. I don't think that it is a necessary condition that this is always applied to helping a person in real need regarding your position of non-interference in a violent situation period. Also, personally I'm a bit of a rowdy guy who likes to be involved in the ocassional fight to spice up my life and I have never had my ass kicked because I utilize a high degree of discernment. Also often my strategy is simply to have fun with a situation by tossing a guy around a bit with some Aikido and rarely do I put myself in a situation where punches can be repeatedly thrown at my face and rarely do I punch a guy full-on. I understand that most Americans have a very fatalistic view about fights because "what-if" so you need to break his arm in three places before he hits the ground but I don't see it that way and I've been in around 15-20 altercations in my life. Also it is my opinion that any place that has big strong man standing outside is pretty lame, and because of crazy alcohol laws in America that means basically most of the country just sucks IMO.

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[–]destraht 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Clauderoughly 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]porcellus_ultor -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that one pissed me off. What's wrong with looking out for people? What's wrong with calling people out on disrespectful or abusive behavior? It's not Red Pill, it's not Blue Pill, it's wanting to live in a polite and civilized society.

Calling someone a "dirty hosebag" is mean and crummy, but what if this hypothetical jerk is hitting his girlfriend in our hypothetical bar? (What if he's hitting his brother? His child?) Should we all just sit around awkwardly pretending we don't see? Verbal insults aren't a reason to start a bar brawl, but if the situation escalates and becomes physical, one shouldn't be derided as a White Knight for stepping in and breaking up/diffusing the situation (we don't generally think of bouncers as White Knights, they're more like heavily muscled peacekeepers). The woman in question is a human in distress, and she needs help the same way that a little guy that's been jumped by three big guys needs help, or the way that child being thrashed by their parent needs help.

It shouldn't be an issue about sex, gender, one's own image, or attracting a mate. It's about common human decency. There's a big divide between White Knighting and helping someone in trouble. You don't know the situation; you don't know if she "deserved it" or not, just like you don't know if the guy getting his ass beat down by three bigger guys "deserved it" or not. Why be needlessly shitty, when you could help someone?

TL:DR A White Knight helps somebody because he secretly wants something out of it. A fully-rounded human being not only helps somebody because it's the decent thing to do, but he does it without ulterior motives or desire for a reward.

[–]TheDon835 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]porcellus_ultor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]TheDon835 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]TheDon835 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]porcellus_ultor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes it's difficult when an individual makes their personal business extremely public. I think that's what compels some people to intervene; they feel that by observing and doing nothing then they are complicit in and supportive of the situation, whether they approve of it or not. I reads to me as a resistance of the bystander effect.

However, when the situation is dangerous and the consequences can be deadly, I don't think it's White Knighting. Perhaps that type of situation should be called Batman Syndrome or high-risk Good Samaritan-ing. It can be stupid, and it can be self-injurious, I'm not doubting that. (And I'm not saying it's a moral imperative, either.) But I've always considered White Knights to be the ones who crop up when the stakes are low and the danger is minimal. They like to defend a damsel's honor against harsh words or flamewars. They're out for themselves, hoping to trade "chivalric" actions for female contact and approval, while the guy who takes a "It's my responsibility to help those in need around me" approach does it more to square with his own sense of Right and Wrong, and his hard-nosed desire to maintain the Social Contract.

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