Stoicism on Ego - is it contradictory to holding frame?

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July 14, 2019
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From what I understand stoicism talks about having ego as a negative thing. However, every time I think about frame it feels like, generally, it comes from having an increased ego. A little bit torn here. What are your thoughts on this? Does holding frame from a stoic point of view is more of IDGAF attitude, or less of ego clashing? How do you manage this?


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Title Stoicism on Ego - is it contradictory to holding frame?
Author SoulRedemption
Upvotes 4
Comments 11
Date 14 July 2019 09:04 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]TheRedPillRipper4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Your ego is how you think the world perceives you. Stoicism teaches you independence from that mindset. To be conscious of your reputation but not let it affect you. Your mindset. Your frame. To be open yet impervious to life.

If you haven’t yet read Meditations by Aurelius it’s great.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]SoulRedemption[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I am on Meditations, taking it slow, do not want to rush. I suppose the type of frame we want to have is optional, pros n vons inclusive.

[–]nobody_thinks3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

there is nothing anti-ego in stoicism. the stoics talked about wanting without wanting, which is to say recognizing that have a desire and pursuing it within limits and with dignity and not letting yourself be consumed by it.

[–]SoulRedemption[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I understand. I get this part. However it talks about humility as well? I do not think it condones Trump type of "behaviour" on holding frame. But then again, Trump has ways of shutting people down holding frame, and this comes from ego as opposed to humility. I am slightly conflicted abiut this.

[–]nobody_thinks1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I do not think it condones Trump type of "behaviour" on holding frame

the world has changed. you have to be more aggressive in todays world.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Everyone has an ego, it’s a part of your mental firmware: Id, Ego, Superego. So just “having an ego” is not a bad thing. What’s bad is when that ego is sensitive to the words and actions of other people. A healthy and strong ego is impervious to other people’s words and actions and is therefore a necessary part to stoicism.

[–]SoulRedemption[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

True that.

I am wondering of a stoics ego, as you mentioned not being affected by words or actions if others. How to balance humilty with this is what I am wondering. Surely there should be a way to be humble, yet not shatter your frame or show "egoistic" reactions or actions. Any applicable advise not to go overboard with humility but keep ego in check as well?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No need to differentiate between a strong ego and humility, they’re the same thing. An ego thats impervious to other people’s words and actions is humility itself. If someone is bad-mouthing you to your face, and your strong ego ignores this person, that is perceived as humility. Humility is not weak, its strong.

[–]SoulRedemption[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice way to put it. I like that. It is thr idea of balancing humulity and holding frame that I am thinking about.

To hold a frame there are certain things that we need to do, and ignoring does not always help. However, humility from a perspective such as establishing frame instead of "holding" it sort of is opposing in my head.

If I pick both apart separately or try to fit one into the other, it works out. But if I take both on different situations and try to think of an underlying principle, it does not gel. Maybe I am looking at it in such a way that I am missing a cruicial point.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Your ego is your buddy. Don't let him call the shots though, use him as a source of inspiration and energy. Nothing more.

[–]SoulRedemption[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is prolly a good way to look at it.



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