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No One Cares About the Plight of Men

tuxidomasx

March 24, 2015

59 upvotes

This segment on Ebro in the morning on Hot 97 reinforces a lot of what TRP expounds.

He talks about how men are expected by society to "man up" and "figure it out" whenever they have a hardship. And about the importance of a man having money or a good job when it comes to maintaining a relationship with a woman. This shouldn't be news for most people familiar with TRP theory, but it is refreshing to hear it discussed on a popular radio station.

Redpill gems dropped left and right:

"As soon as you dont have money in your pocket, and your car aint fresh, and your shoes aint fresh, everybody starts acting funny."

"When dudes get depressed because they have no money, nobody cares."

"When you go to talk with a woman and you dont have any money in your pocket, she won't wanna hang out with you."

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Title	No One Cares About the Plight of Men
Author	tuxidomasx
Upvotes	59
Comments	23
Date	March 24, 2015 12:20 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/302rjc/no_one_cares_about_the_plight_of_men/
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[–]Surf_Or_Die 21 points22 points23 points 11 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

That's the way of the world. Are we going to bitch about it or are we going to accept it for what it is? Men aren't little princess flowers who wait for good things to happen to them. We take action. Do or die. This reminds me of some pussy ass friends of mine who whine about how a woman only has to go to a bar to get hit on while they have to work to get laid. So the fuck what? Would you want it the other way around? Sure, all of us have wished for it on the nights where the only skin your dick gets to taste is that of your own palm. But once you snap out of it you realize that it is NOT what you want. It is not the way that will make you grow into the best version of yourself. This is why players are respected and sluts are shamed. Being a player is hard. You realize that this is exactly why men are the superior sex?

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

I agree with what you're saying, but it ain't that clear cut. You're not wrong, but it's not as simple as "be successful or don't be." Success is a choice only when you are aware of that, smart enough to work towards it, and have the right beliefs, perceptions, skills and wisdom.

A lot of young dudes have no clue what needs to be done or any motivation to do it, they are blue pill, effeminate, very detached from the world/mindset/perception of reality we take for granted. They're being set-up to fail by the system, very few are going to amount to jack shit. Most are from broken families. Some guys even when they know what's up, can't find the impetus to do shit - they've got emotional baggage, bad diet and bad friends. This society ain't good. It's toxic. It's superficial, full of fluff, and promotes bullshit at the expense of the collective good aka: society's mental health.

It got harder for men because they lack guidance/awareness/mentors/role models to base themselves on, and with that, women got more masculine/entitled/shittier. Men lack support. You know our ancestors had family helping them and brotherhood, right? Men were always expected to earn their way, but not with fucking blinkers on, or without a push in the right direction. A lot of men lack that today, I'd say most low SMV guys are pretty isolated. Even if they're not, good chance their bros are indoctrinated liberal pussies, not real men - so they learn effeminate values and see the world all skewed, what you gonna do?

It's harder for men to be successful now than it was a generation or two ago, and it's only going to get harder. There comes a point where you have to balance "shut the fuck up pussy" with "let's actually not force young guys into dropping out of society entirely because they can't even see A ROUTE to success." You have to balance tough love with actionable advice, it's gotten to the point in my opinion where young men need a fucking intervention. Society needs men not to fail, to prop the system up, but it does fuck all to promote their well-being or put them on a track to success - that's where it fails men, and itself. No, the government rather fucking ramp up immigration than admit feminism is bullshit and give it's own men a bit of power. There's a reason we call this the decline.

[–]DorianAnderson 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I would like your opinion.

TRP primarily addresses the SMP and indirectly, the rest of these topics you mentioned.

However, not every one is going make that connection. And if they are plugged in and reject TRP at face value, they will never learn those lessons.

It fucking makes me angry that there are so many lost men. It's half-living. Unconsciously conceding our genders birthright of manifestation and overcoming. Most of us know how that feels.

Rant aside, I want to do something.

How can we replicate the wisdom and knowledge that would be passed down by father and male ancestors? On everything, rather than just intergender dynamics. (By 'we', I don't mean just the red pill, but rather all men.)

Some members here are of the "enjoy the decline" mentality. Shit may be fubar'd, but I will not stand idly by.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lately I've been shit-testing some feminist female friends to measure their feminist responses.

A self-described "feminist" who is married to a very rich friend of mine asked me if I wanted to meet a "cute" friend of hers. The truth is I have zero desire to meet any of her post-wall friends. (I only date women in their early 20's)

My response: "Does she make good money? What kind of car does she drive? "

(I said it with a totally straight face and without blinking an eye .. knowing that my friends wife drives a brand new Mercedes).

Her: (She looked stunned) "I don't know... I think it's like a Camry or something"

Me: "Psh. Loser"

Her: "Oh my GOD! You're such a jerk! She's a cute girl!"

Me: "Whatever. What is this the 19th century? I'm for gender equality. She needs to step up and start earning if she wants a good guy".

Her: "You are beyond hope"

Me: "Not true. I'm single."

(End of conversation).

God that felt good! Ha ha. Just imagine if the feminists got what they wanted, and women really were judged the same way men are.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Just imagine if the feminists got what they wanted, and women really were judged the same way men are.

Every time feminists/women get a concession, they find the grass isn't greener and that they were just whining entitled infants who didn't realise they wouldn't be able to handle their new found freedom, so they start back-pedalling and you get more and more self-declared "traditional women," women who want to cherry pick chivalry/feminism to get the combo that results in the most resources and privileges for them with the lowest amount of effort necessary.

Most women would not survive a month in the shoes of a man, Norah Vincent proved that. Norah Vincent was a woman who lived as a man for a year and needed psychiatric treatment afterwards. She said people were less receptive/supportive when she was seen as a man, and she'd spent her whole life being used to the support/sympathy/handouts that women take for granted.

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[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]68461674897051454980 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A lot of young dudes have no clue what needs to be done or any motivation to do it, they are blue pill, effeminate, very detached from the world/mindset/perception of reality we take for granted. They're being set-up to fail by the system, very few are going to amount to jack shit. Most are from broken families. Some guys even when they know what's up, can't find the impetus to do shit - they've got emotional baggage, bad diet and bad friends. This society ain't good. It's toxic. It's superficial, full of fluff, and promotes bullshit at the expense of the collective good aka: society's mental health.

Then they can blame their father, or blame themselves. But we can't all be successful. The information exists out there, even if your dad is a beta faggot. And now with the internet, the information is readily available.

It just depends on the drive of the person. Person A might try a few things to be successful, fail, not really want it that bad and just settle in their shitty life. Person B might try, fail, keep trying different approaches, and then eventually make it.

No, the government rather fucking ramp up immigration than admit feminism is bullshit and give it's own men a bit of power.

it's not 'the government', though. It's the collective society who elected this government. It's the beta guys and the women they have empowered who are choosing a path further in to a decline. But that's fine. I used to be like I think you sound, mad that people were running this country in to the ground. Then I thought about it for a while, how many people's opinion am I going to change online + IRL? 10? 50 maybe? Great, that won't do shit though. Then I thought more and realized how the US isn't what it was anymore. It used to be THE place you need to go if you want success and to move up, it was set up the best for people trying to improve their life. And it still is to some extent, but you don't need to live here anymore. It's a global marketplace, and you can do the same things from other countries. Even 2nd world countries, in fact there can be more opportunity there than there is in 1st world countries with all the red tape we have now. Now I can go to whichever country I want to set up my business, and there is still the same security that the US used to provide.

Power can't be given, it has to be taken. those who want to take power in their lives, and power over their future will do so, whatever the circumstances. those content in failure will not. how that power over their future manifests itself will be different given their situation and circumstances, but they will still have it

So the people are destroying what made america great... so what? Let them. Once i stopped arguing and trying to change people's mind and spent that time on improving MY situation, i realized this is what you're supposed to do.

It's harder for men to be successful now than it was a generation or two ago, and it's only going to get harder.

thats fine too. the world needs betas, and the world needs failures. appreciate the work it takes to get any type of success in your life, because if there wasn't that initial work required, the success wouldn't be there as the opportunity would be open to anyone. those who want to succeed will still do so, those who are happy to settle in as failures will do so

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It's the collective society who elected this government.

More like the big business (corporate) interests which lobby the government through bribes (donations) into legislating in a way that allows them to control the labour supply, of course this is at the expense of majority native population (if you can't go to the second world, bring the second world to you!)

You're sorely mistaken if you think your vote means much above the local level, getting potholes in roads fixed and such. At the federal level, the citizen has no influence.

In the UK for example, we NEVER WANTED mass immigration, WE WERE NEVER ASKED OR GIVEN THE CHOICE if we wanted to be in the EU. They did it all anyway. No matter which way we voted, they would have done it, because all the choices voters had were pro-EU and weren't going to let the people decide on the matter with a referendum. Government is not under control of it's citizens, in light of that, voting is irrelevant, government does what government wants to do - when you have a choice between two governments who are going to be pro-immigration because either way, business interests who want that cheap labour are going to lobby politicians for it - you can't blame voters for "not voting correctly." Your vote is a lie.

It just depends on the drive of the person.

Agreed. Angry and high testosterone people (so men/women with high T) tend to do well in the world because they have a lot of drive. T is very closely linked to productivity. There's a lot of crap in the food/modern materials that disrupts your hormonal profile (xenoestrogens) which attach to your hormone receptors and act like estrogen. That, combined with the comforts of modern technology promote laziness. The science says men 30 years ago had higher T across the board than they do now. Pad that with effeminate social programming and you have the society of wusses we have today.

In terms of survival of the fittest, we're just sabotaging men before their mind is fully formed (young boys) and then blaming them when they don't become proper men. Seems beyond unfair. Unfair means "the world isn't going to bend to your will, you have to make it what you want it" - I agree with this principle, what we have now is more the opposite of that "the world is trying to make you a pussy but it won't even let you know it's doing that, but if you can't work it out and work against the stacked deck, it's your fault." In scientific terms, men/boys/males are working under increasingly draconian selection pressures, whilst the selection criteria for women has lessened via social engineering.

Once i stopped arguing and trying to change people's mind and spent that time on improving MY situation, i realized this is what you're supposed to do.

Most arguments are pretty pointless because most people aren't open-minded, they are post-modern rather than modern. Once they think they have it all figured out and a specific strategy/coping mechanism "works for them" they don't really give a shit about nuance, details and new information. All that stuff could fuck up "what works for them" aka how they see the world through the coping mechanism that allows them to improve themselves/be successful. Ignorance is the ego's way of protecting a person from making themselves susceptible to anything that could harm their progress. Even though we're TRP, a lot of people need to construct false realities that align with TRP principles to be successful. Too much reality is counter-productive for them, essentially. Mental health is fragile.

Very few people are Patrice O'Neal, in the sense that they are mentally strong enough to succeed with total self-awareness and a decent awareness of the society around them. I've known men who are considered pretty alpha, but if you kept pushing and pushing and actually questioning them (they're so angry/confrontrational that they're used to people just agreeing for a peaceful life) that you would cause them immense cognitive dissonance. In effect, these men draw their strength from a kind of productive self-willed combination of ignorance/arrogance with a high T work ethic, which means they limit their logic via "give a fuck factor" for the sake of their own mental health. Anyhow I digress, all the best.

[–]68461674897051454980 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would say that even with higher T levels, we have to be careful not to perpetuate the liberal media's view that "omg testosterone is bad". A guy can get more angry, but most of these AFC are pretty angry and bitter themselves. It's not like 30 years ago guys were running around punching everything in sight.

About the voting thing, the people get what they put in to it. Realistically, the people have all the power. Votes do mean nothing, because the people can take the power back at any time they want. But you have to look at who is voting today, the same brainwashed people we are talking about.

They'd rather argue over stupid points than demand any change. Here in the US, there were some state-level gun laws trying to be passed after the movie theater shooting, but voters got those public officials removed from office because it was BS.

If everyone in the uk said "yes, we want the borders 100% closed, like now." It would have to be done. Same thing in the US here, we have a really weak southern border that results in loads of illegal immigration. Except they don't even call it 'illegal immigration' any more, they are 'undocumented immigrants'... lol.

Through the media, and through people's stupidity, they are more focused on "lol obama made this meemee XD" or arguing than the other side, rather than uniting and changing things that most people can agree on. Even if most people agree in principle, they get caught up in the media hype and don't demand change. We can't blame 'corporations' for donating, as that's how the laws are set up. If people don't like it, change the laws. If the person in power doesn't change them, get them out of power and choose someone who will change the laws.

But honestly look around you, most people are more concerned with who is on american idol or britains got talent. And that's fine, I guess, but we as a society get out what we put in.

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If you haven't read about Edward Bernays & how the US govt employed him for decades to create a disempowered sex antagonistic individualistic & ego-thru consumerism society....I really suggest you do.

The BBC documentary by Adam Curtis The Century Of Self is an amazing place to start if you are interested.

To combat the popularity of powerful worker Socialism political groups forming & restart & increase spending after the Great Depression, social policies were handed over to this guy for multiple decades & actually was one of Nazi Josef Goebbels "heroes" in employing the "Big Lie".

It speaks volumes about how individualism keeps men & women in constant antagonistic competition with each other in order to fulfill a planted & trained need to show they are a special little consumerist flower.

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