Incident: A girl in the lab got a burn blister on her hand due to improper handling of lab equipment. There is this loner guy in the lab who worked with her. He asked the girl if she was alright because she "audibly made a pain noise" and also asked if she wants him to check her hand. The girl said no. Technically, these injuries should all be treated outright but it isn't uncommon for some of the small injuries to just go ignored until the end of the day since it isn't anything serious. I didn't think much of it and just kept working. A bit later, according to the guy, the girl was visibly having trouble working, so he decided to go check the girl's hand. He pulled the girl's hand and asked to check her hand. The girl started yelling sexual harassment and started a huge fuss. It quickly gathered a crowd as the lab is usually a quiet place. The girl started yelling and the guy seemed pretty quiet. She called him a creep and sexually harassed her. In all honesty, the guy is a quiet person and we don't interact much so I can't tell if he is actually one or not. The argument quickly devolved into the girl said the guy pulled on her arm twice and the guy started to defend himself saying he only pulled her arm once because it looked like she had trouble working.
The next day, the girl's brother called me and asked me what happened. I told him about the incident. It seemed like he got a bit heated when he was talking, as he asked how can I allow his sister to get sexually harassed in lab. It isn't really my duty to watch over his sister since we are all adults here, I don't want to preemptively convict the guy of sexual harassment so I told him so. The brother then proceeded to tell me the girl had trouble sleeping and is traumatic for all the time fearing retribution from the guy. Now, I know the quiet guy is not capable of doing stuff like that since he's always been really meek for all the time we were together, he would barely raise his voice even when he gets into an argument so I told him they probably don't have to fear any type of retribution at all. It also seemed to me that the girl is exaggerating as the guy just pulled her arm (I didn't tell the brother about this since I don't want to convict the girl of acting just as I don't want to convict the guy of sexual harassment). He then told me they will probably seek law advice (no idea why he told me that since I am not the lab head).
In all the madness going on, I just wish the term "sexual harassment" is more defined. I think sexual harassment should be punished but I just don't know if this issue qualify as sexual harassment. What do you guys think about this? Is this sexual harassment?
Edit: just for clarification, I think the guy shouldn’t have touched the girl in the first place without her okaying it but is this truly sexual harassment?
[–]Shimakaze411 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I always take what women say literally, even my own mother. If something is wrong and I ask and she or any other woman says "no" then I shall act like nothing is wrong. Broke my mother out of that bullshit after many years, she now understands that if she needs something or something is wrong, she better speak up or I might just go to the movies. Same in this case, by all means ask if she is ok, if she says yes, call first aid, if she says no, continue as if nothing is wrong.
[–]Ody_ssey6 points7 points8 points (1 child) | Copy Link
It is already well-defined. It is sexual harassment if a creepy guy approaches them and an appreciation if a handsome guy does the same.
Given the the hostile work environment created by women today, there's no need to ask a woman if she is fine. If she is in pain, she can seek help herself.
[–]Grand_A_[S] 8 points9 points10 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's just such a shit world we're in, I was brought up to care about other people. Man, woman or child. If I see someone in pain, I'll naturally try to help without even thinking. The fact this poor guy had probably just reacted like he always would, and then gets shit on for it... it really fucking winds me up. It's teaching people to be sociopathic assholes. I hope one day that woman is in some accident laid on the side of a road, and some guy decides that it's too risky to stop the blood loss in case she woke up and said that she didn't consent to him touching her.
[–]sj204425 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
anything at all will make a woman uncomfortable, provided the "harasser" is unattractive.
[–]Phantom_Spark4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the point where he should preemptively report her for harassment and for creating a hostile work environment. Need to strike hard and strike first and end her. The guys life is already hanging by a thread.
[–]Docbear642 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I saw a womans car broken down on the side of a busy freeway , she was jogging towards the onramp I imagine looking for some place to go ....
all of my " Be a decent human being " sensors went off ... clearly this woman needed help then I remembered the story of the guy who picked up a woman broken down on the side of the rode, was accused of sexual harassment and her claims were later proven a lie and I just kept driving on .
I'm all for trying to be a decent fellow human but not in this climate ... not when our words are not of equal value , not when a woman has a financial incentive to make false claims against me , not when my entire life can be put into shambles for doing nothing more than trying to be a decent human .
This is what equality looks like ,If a woman wants help she better hope another woman pulls up on the side of the road to give it because the only way I'd consider trying to help someone on the side of the road right now is if they are a man .
[–]8017351 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Poor poor fembambi. Put it out of its misery?
If she asks you to do anything that isn't on your work-list, it's sexual harassment. Putting her in a male open-cell-door-at-night prison for life sounds fair.
[–]ncarolina661 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Why would the guy pull her hand?
Dudes, just do your own thing. If that chick had asked you to look at her hand you should tell her to call 911 or go to the doctor as you aren't one, you are a lab tech guy. Why do guys go out of their way and look for trouble with women?
As for the story of the guy helping chicks on the road in the comments, just drive by thinking the girl can be Jodi Arias...(the female who murdered her lover in the shower by cutting his throat and then shooting him). Good looking but a bloody murderer...just keep on driving. If you feel guilty of not helping you can call law enforcement and say there is a person disabled by the side of the road and tell them where (however if anything happens to her, you will probably be suspect number one because you just placed yourself at the scene, just FYI....you're choice on what to do or not to do).
[–]jkarovskaya1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That guy violated the number 1 rule at work, (or really anywhere) in 2019: never, ever touch a woman.
[–]mgtowfoorlife0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
These days, it is whatever the woman claims it to be. If she is offended, she can file charges.
[–]NAILmg420 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
See the post I left there. Hahaha
[–]IndigoXero0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Plain and simple fix Stop helping them. Don't talk to them, don't fucking look at them. They brought this on themselves.
[–]justletmemakeanacc0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Too many simps in that story.
Loner guy tries to white knight girl.
Classmate doesn't tell girl's brother the actual story. I mean seriously, what is he going to do? beat him up over the phone.
Brother seems like the type of dude to openly believe whatever his sister says or acts.