If paternity fraud happens in around 1% of all pregnancies there are literally hundreds of thousands of men out there duped into raising kids they didn't father, and it's insane how no mothers have gone to jail for it

cfuse · 2019-01-27T23:52:06+00:00

1%? Try 30%.

We've known this since blood testing was invented. DNA testing has just confirmed it.

[deleted] · 2019-01-27T21:52:52+00:00

Judge will make you keep paying too for the "best interest of the child"

TruthSeekingPerson · 2019-01-28T02:05:51+00:00

Paternity fraud should be illegal.

Actually, it should be illegal for women to have kids they can't afford. When men do it they go to jail, women should too.

Fatality144 · 2019-01-28T02:14:29+00:00

Lol its closer to 30% and thats just what we have tested through DNA since not everyone gets tested unless there is reason in some form. So that is just a base line number (assuming DNA tests are 100% with current tech as its known that Chimeras can throw it off completely so there could be other errors).

So if we have 7 billion people on the planet and men make up half that, that means roughly 1 billion fathers have been cheated on and lied to about “their” children. Now it may be lower or higher in other nations but male and female nature remains a constant everywhere so its unlikely to be a great change in either direction from what we know now. I sure wish it was only 1% but the reality is that it is much much higher even if 30% ends up being too high from initial studies.

What interests me is if this is a recent phenomenon in history and has been growing because of increasing “gynocentricity” in society or if it has always been present just not capable of being exposed until now through dna tests. If it has always existed there is little that can be done other than to walk away from it and be conscious of it. If it is a more modern phenomenon we have to analyze why, how, and what caused this massive shift in order to address it. Controlling our own natures as both men and women is essential to being the best we can be, and when left uncheck or encouraged by societies it can lead to disaster.

CrestfallenWolf · 2019-01-28T01:38:11+00:00

1%....

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[deleted] · 2019-01-28T01:17:53+00:00

Probably hundreds of millions of men. This stuff goess back thousands of years.

oldman_stone · 2019-01-28T01:50:41+00:00

according to the ancestry DNA and bloods test threads on reddit its more around 20%

Drawrtist123 · 2019-01-28T04:37:29+00:00

Oh, but asking for proof or threatening to leave can be deemed "coercive control" and YOU are sent to prison.

bearinfoxhole · 2019-01-28T20:35:58+00:00

Look at all those cunts who are in "what about the child" and their white knights shit stains.

These are the crimes which deserve a firing squad

YashiVerdi · 2019-01-27T22:16:50+00:00

The OP in that comment is pretty based.

tecnihelp · 2019-01-28T09:15:10+00:00

why trump isn't doing anything about this?, i know he cant do anything but women are whores and it is because of the government and they do nothing, CAN'T YOU SEE THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES?

user_miki · 2019-01-28T10:43:34+00:00

It is between 10-30 % it was a stat made by laboratories that do DNA testing.

lestratege · 2019-01-28T13:31:14+00:00

The one percent figure is taken from Maarten H.D. Larmuseau, Koen Matthijs, Tom Wenseleers, Cuckolded Fathers Rare in Human Populations, Trends in Ecology & Evolution, Volume 31, ISSUE 5, P327-329, May 01, 2016:

https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.tree.2016.03.004

This is just an interview and the interesting quote is this:

Although popular scientific literature still often reports highly upwardbiased EPP estimates of 10–30% (e.g., [3]), which were mainly based on data from paternity testing laboratories where paternity was disputed, recent work shows that the EPP rate in contemporary populations is in the range of just 1–2% [4,5]. If true, this would be reassuring news for many fathers.

Source [3] is Pagel, M. (2012) Wired for Culture – Origins of the Human, Social Mind, W.W. Norton.

Let's look at the two source [4] and [5] that claims the 1-2% figures. These are

[4] Anderson, K.G. (2006) How well does paternity confidence match actual paternity? Evidence from worldwide nonpaternity rates. Curr. Anthropol. 47, 513–520

sci-hub.tw/10.1086/504167

This is a meta-analysis (ie a survey of surveys) that finds that

A survey of 67 studies reporting nonpaternity suggests that for men with high paternity confidence rates of nonpaternity are(excluding studies of unknown methodology) typically 1.9%, substantially less than the typical rates of 10% or higher cited by many researchers.

The problem is the date of it. 2006 is way before widespread and affordable DNA testing, so we always run into the sample construction problem.

The other study is:

[5]. Wolf, M. et al. (2012) Estimating the prevalence of nonpaternity in Germany. Hum. Nat. 23, 208–217

sci-hub.tw/10.1007/s12110-012-9143-y

This article basically states that the sample for the previous claims based on DNA testing was not random (ie people who wanted to test their paternity are definitely more likely to indeed be cuckhold), which is a fair enough problem. But then the study goes on to test 971 children elligible for bone marrow. They state that

Samples drawn from a population of bone marrow transplant patients have several benefits over samples collected in genetic or lineage studies. First, there is no evidence that the nonpaternity rate is associated with diseases such as leukemia or lymphoma that are prompting screenings for appropriate bone marrow donors.

Well, it would be nice to see if the sample is indeed representative of all socioprofessional categories, because if not, it would mean that those seeking treatment are not representative.

An interesting study would be to find out results of Ancestry.com. The whole problem though is that there is no way they KNOW who is the declared father. They can only find out who is or not the biological father. I suspect the sample size would be in the thousands.

But you know what would be nice ? Make a DNA test mandatory for men to be declared the father. It would be easy: you want to be declared the father? OK, put your name here, give a swab. Baby's swab, and let's see. The percentage of rejection would tell you the truth.

Is someone afraid of the truth??

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