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What's wrong with multiculturalism and why does TRP tend to dislike it?

54544654

April 29, 2013
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Title What's wrong with multiculturalism and why does TRP tend to dislike it?
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54544654

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Comments 13
Date April 29, 2013 7:38 PM UTC
(13 years ago)
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[–]TRP Vanguardnicethingyoucanthave 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with labels is that it means one thing to you and another thing to someone else. You end up arguing without any effort to understand each other.

Why don't you say that multiculturalism means to you, and then people can tell you if they agree or not.

[–]Modredpillschool 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What's this? Is somebody trying to start a racist debate? This is the first I've seen of this Anti-multiculturalism, I don't think that reflects a common opinion here.

[–]54544654[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Even if it isn't common websites like Heartiste tend to have views against multiculturalism.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-13425.html

Some red pillers tend to blame the liberal agenda and the 60s and the welfare state which relates to immigration which relates to multiculturalism

[–]Modredpillschool 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism is certainly a marxist doctrine, and a few blogs broach issues of race or religion, however the majority of the manosphere views cultures as western or non-western. Western culture (and marxism) is usually viewed negatively, whereas nonwestern is viewed as innocent and untouched.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only relationship Marxism has to feminism is that its a political study of power relationships. Proletariate v Bourgeois and Men v women in gender studies. That's where the similarities end IMO. Don't let a demonized picture of what Marxism is, allow you to demonize feminism as a whole. All ideologies can be coopted, and although I am a feminist, I am not the type that TRP argues against.

Marxism and feminism really are worth understanding, but most people who argue for them don't understand that they preach equality, not a domineering empowerment agenda in sheep's clothing.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've gotten the notion that social sciences are looked down on as "beta" or feminist bullshit. I disagree wholeheartedly, my career choice takes culture in to account very much so and I argue that we have to understand its importance to the individual and society as a whole.

I do not argue that culture excuses behavior, but cultural and social norms and their development do teach the individual what is acceptable and what is not.

Cultural studies are essential to understanding differing points of views, what is against TRP is saying that culture is culture and there is nothing you can do about it.

In some academic circles, particularly psychological anthropology and associated disciplines, culture is viewed as the "software" that works with our "hardware" and reaffirms neurological pathways, creating a set of social norms and a general public discourse or habitus. This being said, I do not see TRP and multiculturalism/cultural study as opposing.

[–]dmahan 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't, many advise going abroad for women.

[–]kukul 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

You're right, the red pill is not a political philosophy, although it is to some degree compatibile with the "right wing" views and since most of the red pill material comes from blogs, they are often seen together.

My biggest problem with multiculturalism (other than having a bunch of third world, fresh-off-the-boat proles loitering around my corner, harassing the infidel women and looking for a way to mug me, of course) lies in the "Divide and conquer" principle: a unified, mono-cultural nation sharing the same principles is much more likely to resist foreign or domestic opression than a bunch of people standing under a flag they don't care for.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You can also get some incredibly important entrepreneurs like Steve jobs, who's Father is from Syria. Or the founder of google, who is not from the USA. etc etc. Also, many of these FOB people you see, could most likely be first generation USA born people who haven't had access to good education etc.

The issue is more complex, and ignorance on either side isn't acceptable. "mono-cultural" nations are also prone to civil wars and internal coups. It's complex, but if the USA ended immigration, my money would bet that the economy would almost collapse within a decade. Especially if you removed current immigrants.

[–]kukul 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not American.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

well I assume if you are part of any developed or developing nation, your birth rates are lower or near par with your death rates. Trends show that the more developed a nation is, the lower the birth rates and the more immigration is needed to fill the lower end spectrum of jobs etc.

Although I am discussing mostly American policy and contemporary issues there, many of the same trends apply to other countries. Care to divulge where you're from so i can understand your PoV better?

[–]kukul 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right, I'm Polish and our fertility rates are dismal, but the way to go is having Ukrainian or Belarussian immigrants who assimilate within a generation, not Little Mogadishu's popping up in every city.

As far as the US goes, I'd say that you're in a radically different situation, you are after all a country of immigrants, so multiculturalism actually has its place there as long as everyone respects the principles your country was founded on.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm Canadian, but I enjoy American politics as I see it as a larger marketplace to sell ideas that spin off to other countries.

IMO, the problem with most immigration programs is that they don't focus on integration and assimilation in a way that is respectful of other cultures. But the main issue with that is poor education and other programs, that also affects non-immigrant populations.

I know nothing of Poland, I'll have to learn more about it.

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