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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Looks like OP is butt hurt down voting everybody's critique of his in depth scientific analysis.
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Don't look at me I'm not effecting the voting.
I very rarely up or downvote.
This was a good post, but might be too deep into something that others aren't into.
The funny thing is that I was formulating this post for a few days then the Mark Passio video popped up essentially saying what I wanted to say.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
ok fine maybe it wasn't you.
But I don't think it's a good post. Why do women not have free will but men do? we're both human.
Sam harris would suggest that nobody does based on neuroscience and every choice we make or will make is based on a mixture of experiences, tendencies and compulsions that have been wired into us at a young age.
Have you seen the documentary The Century of the Self? Will make you wonder if the person you think you are and things you like are genuinely things you like or have you been manipulated by PR and marketing firms.
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's getting brigaded by two other subs.
Anyway, It think he is suggesting that female emotional response overrides rational influences on thought. I'm not going to make any conclusions on his conjecture, but I will admit that women do display this particular behavior.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but that's not free will. I would describe that as an example of many different ways people interface with the world and can be altered or improved upon based on experiences, feedback and such.
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And now you say the same thing as OP said.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's not what he said. lol
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Why?
Reals before Feelz
Feelz before Reals
For women "freedom" means acting on her "Feelz".
For men "freedom" means there is no political correctness forcing you to make a choice you don't agree with. Free Will for a man is the ability to see objective reality and be able to choose the option you think will give the best outcome.
But even for a man Free Will can produce bad results.
One can choose with the best intentions, but actually end up violating Natural Law anyway. You normally learn from those mistakes, but you are free to make the mistake.
Women are never free to choose objective options... they only choose what "feels good" to them.
So women lack Free Will... they are slaves to emotion.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Freedom=feelz now?
Wtf is "feelz" anyways. you mean emotions?
So your definition of what "freedom" is to a guy is not applicable to women?
"means there is no political correctness forcing you to make a choice you don't agree with. Free Will for a man is the ability to see objective reality and be able to choose the option you think will give the best outcome."
[–]NeoreactionSafe[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's really simple.
AWALT is about the fact women are incapable of Free Will in the proper understanding.
Never expect a woman to be responsible for her actions only assume she must fear punishment.
If women had Free Will then AWALT would not be true.
[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
woman places a low priority on objective reality
Your main premise here is flawed. While women might exhibit a slightly greater tendency toward allowing emotional decisions to trump reason, the capacity to do so is not exclusive to females. The Blue Pill sub is one overflowing reservoir of male examples.
I've never used bars and clubs to meet women, and my dating funnel weeds out bimbos and emotionally-driven mundanes by design. I've met enough populations of women who transcend the "basic bitch" category to know that they are not exceptions or outliers.
In conclusion, I think considering women incapable of free will is down to unsupported bro science and selection bias.
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
the capacity to do so is not exclusive to females.
I don't really agree with him, but I can balance this part of the equation for you--Men sometimes act like this; women always act like this. If you accept that, then his argument holds.
[–]Senior ContributorMentORPHEUS2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a helpful refinement. Men sometimes act like this; women tend to default to this is something I could agree with and defend to skeptics.
[–]blackedoutfast2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
no but neither do men.
free will is an illusion
[–]Fennecat2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
clap clap clap You ought to send your ego to work in the circus for its impressive display of mental gymnastics.
Edit: With all that said, I believe there is merit to your statements. Those who are subject to their emotions are reactive and have conduct less agency. Relative to men, women are a small degree more pathos-driven than logos-driven. The two points above cannot conclude that women do not have free will while men do.
[–]GOATmar1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Man growing to believe in Free Will is the most egotistical concept man has ever come up with, next to religion and God loving only us in the universe.
Everything is indeed a chain reaction from the very first event that spawned the universe. All your thoughts, all of the laws, civilizations, all of the events, all your actions are Constant Reactions to many other chain reactions that are still happening from way back then.
Nothing is random.
You are a slave to the laws of the universe, nothing you will ever """do""" will escape the laws.
Nothing you will ever """do""" will escape your biological programming.
It is due to our ego and rationalizing abilities that we think otherwise.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Ever hear about those MRI studies, that see people making decisions a few seconds before they consciously do so? Effectively, machines were able to predict what people were going to do , at least on simpler tasks
Something to think about.
[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Read about this too. There is a lot of controversy about pretty much all of the experiments.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't devote many cycles to this stuff. I'll leave that for you and NEO to piss on each other over.
I think what those MRI studies are getting at is there is a lag time between what your mind decides and you actually being aware of it.
An example would be riding a motorcycle and a deer jumps out in front of you. (this has happened to me) It takes time from your recognizing something strange is happening and your ability to think up the response.
I've had weird intuitions where I "sensed" around a blind corner there was a blockage and it turned out right... so I'm open to there being things yet undefined.
Judge based on evidence... no matter how odd it might be.
[–]Endorsed ContributorJamesSkepp1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Free Will means that in objective reality you are free to make your best choice based on what knowledge is available to you. You are free to make an error and choose unwisely. This assumes a "Reals before Feelz" mindset typical of the masculine male.
Free Will means that in objective reality you are free to make your best choice based on what knowledge is available to you. You are free to make an error and choose unwisely.
This assumes a "Reals before Feelz" mindset typical of the masculine male.
Actually - I don't need to have a objective view of reality, not even the correct one - I can have any view of reality and still have free will.
You're setting up the debate with wrong assumptions (typical of you is to present a false dilemma to the reader) - because she has wrong view of the world she does not have free will. You can say Michelle Obama is a transvestite demon (sadly it got removed before I got to TRP), whch is objectively idiotic, but you still have free will to post it.
Free Will means you choose between objective choices in the "Reals", but women invert that to mean elevating and expanding their "Feelz".
This is not free will either. Free will doe's not men being more or less objective. It's about whether you are the one who makes the decision and to what extent the decision you make are done by conscious choice
Had you have the capability to de-couple for a second from your esoteric bs, this post would be much more coherent.
B/c you can't, I'll do it for you:
Does the woman have a free will, assuming she bases her m-f decisions on emotions much more than a man does, up to the point that she cannot resist the emotion's despite her fully knowing (rationally) it's the wrong choice to follow them?
I've been toying with the idea myself, but can't point out to definitive answer beyond "depends on context". On one hand I'm certain she knows that fucking me is cheating on her bf and she knows that, on another I'm also pretty sure that she is perfectly capable of making a rational decision in her field of expertise (outside of m-f context)?
So the answer for me, in practical terms is not about "whether she has free will" but about to what extent can she control her decision making process when under the influence of emotions.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Sam Harris would say that you don't either. Judging by your bias and where you chose to post this based on previous conditioning, experience, compulsion and impulse I would say he's right.
Op thinks he's the architect of The Matrix explaining its design to a hot a chic Neo. Irony is the architect didn't really understand its design, the Oracle did.
[–]BudRock562 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The OP thinks he is Aristotle now. See? This is what happens when you smoke weed.
Weed is an indicia of Beta. Fact. Case closed.
[–]Nigel_Johnson0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Free will lies in potential until one fully examines and dis-identifies from the subjective, conditioned-judging personality, and then creates an objective, technical frame of reference with regard to self.
[–]1GreenPiller0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are getting a lot of hate even though your theory seems pretty solid.
[–]newName5434560 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Trolls are gonna have a field day with that.
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