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MGTOW being discussed seriously at r/JordanPeterson

VideoramaYT

November 4, 2018
51 upvotes
/r/MGTOW

Get your opinions and stories in there boiiis!

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/9tyvzn/young_men_opting_out_mgtow_as_the_final_response/?utm_content=title&utm_medium=user&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=u_VideoramaYT

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Title MGTOW being discussed seriously at r/JordanPeterson
Author

VideoramaYT

Upvotes 51
Comments 30
Date November 4, 2018 12:51 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/9tzdws/mgtow_being_discussed_seriously_at_rjordanpeterson/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/mgtow-being-discussed-seriously-at-rjordanpeterson.465101
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Comments

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points48 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

When it comes to Jordan Peterson, I'm just really on the fence with his outlooks. People want to claim he is the next philosophical genius or some shit. I just see tradcon.

This whole right person bullshit is just that.. Bullshit. There is no right person. Never was never has been. It's a lie people swallow to feel safe from feeling like life is meaningless.

I mean come on really. Look at pretty much any site on topics of relationships, marriage, breakups, divorces, etc. Now you tell me how that many people can be wrong. They just keep choosing the wrong ones? Bullshit. There's a pattern here and it's already been unlocked and thrown up for the masses to see. It's just up to them if they want to swallow the cold hard truth.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh, Jordan Peterson is like most people -- right about some things, and wrong about others. I agree with his stance on Freedom of Speech, but disagree with many others, particularly because I'm not a tradcon, nor am I afraid of nihilism.

[–]VideoramaYT[S] 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And i completly agree with you, copy paste it over there?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're more than welcome to copy and paste my statement over there if you wish. I have really no desire to talk to jp fanboys

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

he's the last voice of reason of a way that is quickly dying. to little, too late

[–]Older_Miggy4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I tried listening to a few of his videos. He makes no sense. Then his Kavanaugh comment was it for me. He can eat shit.

[–]ABrokenBeing3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He has many faults especially towards marriage but his ideas around the bible are life changing in my opinion.

His work with depression too, amazing stuff.

He cured me of nihilism and showed me what MEANING actually is and how to obtain it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's great that it helped you bro. Honestly. For me I have just always had the natural ability to change things if I ever needed to. Doing things you love will ways give you meaning and purpose.

[–]ABrokenBeing1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I think it was to do with how I was raised and the mindset that grew from that about meaning.

We are an extremely materialistic generation and it shows in how meaningless many people view our existence.

Very freeing to know we all individually posses the capacity to create our own meaning and how we can manifest that in the world.

[–]Onlymgtow884 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Link to some of the Bible stuff?

[–]ABrokenBeing2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright, you asked for it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w

This series spans many many hours and covers so much, I found it to be really engaging though and much more fun than the social politics he’s always participating in now.

[–]lonewolfsigma89172 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He still pedestalises women

[–]1UPZ_0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

there is no "right person", HUMANS are irrational, we are creatures of varying chemical reactions.

There will be people or persons that we find physically attractive, share the same interests, share the same ideas and enjoy each other's companies... but going with that logic each person would have 20,000 to 50,000 "right" persons for them (today some women would love to hear that).... the only outlier is that the "right person" just happens to be the person that is within our livelihood path or our vicinity.... basically a person that we can tolerate long term and we wont have issues having physical intimacy with that is "nearby" or we have high chance of opportunity to meet.

With this in mind... there is a reason why Traditional Conservatives, cultures and religions put "guidelines" in relationships and focus on family and "soul mates"... because its "good" for society, its good for stability, its good to keep people (men) working hard, contributing to society etc etc etc.... GOOD INTENTIONS.... completely understandable. But the issue is they've underestimated the power of social media and media in general... fusing "empowerment" of women with liberating them from "good behaviors".

Thing is, I know this sub encourage men to be supportive of all men, but the thing is men are also enemies. The piece of crap men, the men that are motivated by self interests heck some posters here who got cheated on... guess who she cheated with?.... men.

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I think my point is.... Out of control humans are a problem and will continue being a problem.... keep good company, USE logic science or facts to help your decisions rather than someone else's opinions because they may have different interests or agendas.... be respectful and I mean that in a good and bad way, as in show respect to those you think deserves it but also show respect to those that you don't like or your enemies as this way you won't be caught off guard by them when they turn.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just about every single person alive is motivated by self interest. It's just a matter who is the better businessman. One that can manipulate and get the other party to do their bidding, or one that can compromise and get half of what they want.

And yes science and data get aligned with facts, but you also have to take into consideration that enough opinions that are generally the same must have some common truth to it.

As for out of control humans, hell you could pretty much say that every single person is. Even the most sophisticated or classy. The line that joker used in dark knight about eating each other is on point.

[–]bi4rep30 points31 points32 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The real question is - did you clean your room tho ?

[–]VideoramaYT[S] 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Lmao i still got chips all over my parents basement...

[–]8017357 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chips... you lucky bastard! ]=)

[–]GamingYourMom1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You better sort your life out boyo!

[–]VideoramaYT[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah I'm just a neckbeard incel anyway. Or a pathetic weasel? Hmmmmmm

[–]nonchalantfool24 points25 points26 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jordan Peterson's biggest fear is nihilism and like all academics he desires a coherent model of concepts to understand the world.

[–]Aza38322 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He's smarter than most but his ideas aren't going to save today's men. This society is going to collapse and holding onto traditional values in today's age just make its ever more likely that you will be fed into the meat grinder.

[–]ALTMGTOWACCOUNT1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

JP is great when he sticks to the "clean your room, and put your house in order before you try to change the world" parts of his philosophy.

He also has a great amount of lectures that are insightful, however when he starts talking about marriage and relationships he goes full retard. I feel like I'm seeing rain man in action when JP lectures and speaks to his aforementioned philosophy, yet goes full tradcuck retard when talking about the dynamics of male and female relationships.

He provides a great lecture, then proceeds to urinate himself in front of everyone as he speaks about male and female relations.

[–]originaldutchcow6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Expect a story about order, chaos and lobsters

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So many tradcucks and blue pills spouting the same nonsense we hear every time. They really are NPCs. It’s fucking tiring.

[–]Atton_Risk3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How interesting that sounds.

[–]DocHolliday2263 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with the JP crowd (don't get me wrong, I think JP is right on a lot of stuff. He's definitely a very intelligent man) is that they still think there's a way out of this mess. They think that if they just try harder they can fix it. The fact it the matter is that things are too far gone. There is no fix but a collapse and rebirth.

That being said though, we mgtow should be under no illusions that mgtow itself is a symptom, not a solution. Mgtow is a symptom of the impending collapse as much as feminism, cuckoldry, family courts, or me too. However, it is the only viable system in place for self preservation.

[–]gozzosuk2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He knows, but he doesn't care.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Juden Peterstein is a false prophet shepherding his lambs to the slaughter.

[–]retal1ator1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is my post there:

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28 years old here. I've never had troubles finding women's attention, and I have no doubt that if the social and legal climate would have been different I would be a family man with kids by now. I would like to have kids, but I've seen too many good men destroyed financially and emotionally to be willing to blindly approach women for long term committment, and I am honestly sad over what's happening to our generation of men. It has become a matter of self preservation.

Women (and society) have gone way too far. They had the impression they could hoard all the rights and use men like expendable providers in perpetuity without repercussions, but the pendulum has swung too far. MGTOW is just a natural and logical response to an extreme situation where women have the legal and social rights to behave in the worst way possible and STILL get rewarded for it. The current feminist climate also helps to bring the worst out from young women, in a way that they become undesiderable by default. Women in LTR can cheat and beat their husbands with impunity, and whenever they desire to divorce (for any petty reason) they are awarded most of the man's resources, no questions asked. I'm actually surprised MGTOW is not yet mainstream.

Ignoring this problem will only make it worse. Men perhaps are not social like women are on these subjects but we are waking up en masse. Unfortunately nothing will make current MGTOWs come back to the family dream (these men are lost forever), but we can help new generations. As men will keep witholding committment from women, we will start to see men attacked and shamed in every way possible and petty solutions will be proposed (I have little doubt we will see a bachelor's tax in the future or something like that). The only solution, even if currently unpopular, would be to revert all the family laws that have been put into place in the past 50 years, and we need to make sure women are not entitled to any of the man's property in case of separation and kids are always equally shared between the sexes. If massive law intervention is not made, then technology will solve the issue in another way with the upcoming sexbots and artificial wombs.

[–]frrigthsau0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

JP was a cuck. I know most of you guys find a father figure in JP and a sliver of reason when he speaks, but his overarching tradicon and skewed vision of female nature should be a red flag. He is not with MGTOW, he is a tradcuck and a reactionary

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