How Long Does It Take?

2019-02-16T18:14:45+00:00

The longer you GYOW, the more you will realize that there can be no 'perfect relationship' with a woman in our current messed up society. Whether due to male-punitive, gynocentric laws, or due to the nasty, competitively whorish state of modern women, the perfect unicorn would even mutate into the herd whether she really wanted to or not. She simply can not exist, for long, in the system in which we all live. Then you realize that the only relationship you might have will be tainted with CC-whoredom, a legal system ready to stomp your a** on a moment's notice, and a bevy of simps ready to take your place after you gum a .44 mag.

That is when you realize you are only 'missing' something that can not empirically exist in the world in which we currently live. Then you just say f**k it...and move on with life.

mansrandom · 2019-02-16T18:15:49+00:00

I say it may never go away, but it all depends on your programming and how much society has fed these ideas to you.

To me the biological urges seem to only subside a little as I got older and the thought of finding the perfect one is like winning the lottery. A lottery that even if you win, you still have to work harder to appease female nature.

I never dreamed of being a husband and I never dreamed of being a father, but I did always have dreams of making women happy. After three or four years, those dreams are long gone after a lot of deprogramming.

It all came to an opening to where I realized no matter what I did, I would never make a woman happy. That's when I evaluated all my past relationships and determined that the only person who I really need to care about being happy is myself. Everyone else will take care of themselves.

2019-02-16T19:04:53+00:00

The conditioning we get when we're young is just incredibly deep and hard to get rid of. I had my adolescence and teens in the late 1970s and early 1980s, when the deranged neo-Nazi lunacy of women being a "naturally superior" Master Race was taken as gospel with nobody noticing how deranged it was. Under the very same conditions boys were expected to be single-minded about wanting pussy and a boy who had other interests was seen as "not normal." Ironically, adults were pretty flexible with an adolescent or teen boy who didn't show a lot of interest in girls, but such a boy was at risk of being beaten by other boys for being "a fag" because "fag" was defined as anything that didn't conform to disco-age regimentation of human behaviour. I liked science fiction and that made me "a fag." It was one of the most conformist environments you could imagine. Girls generally didn't see a boy as male unless he took the initiative to display his masculinity for them, although if a girl did take some kind of interest in a boy as male, she'd remain entirely passive and look pathetic until the boy responded, which boys almost always did.

One thing I find particularly hillarous now is the incredible amount of misdirection and disinformation about male human genitals. There was always this huge emphasis as to how the penis is what defines a man and what is most important. In reality the penis is a handle. Sure, it gives a man pleasure, but it's a very expensive pleasure, and it's what a man is grabbed by for the purpose of controlling him. A man's real power always lay in the testes, because those produce sperm, and most women end up wanting to have a baby at some point in their lives, with no ability to have a baby unless men provide sperm. In the early days of the years I spent in Canada after immigrating at age 10 in 1975, boys were carefully shielded from even having awareness that our genitals could be damaged. It wasn't until the movie _The Fourth Man_ was released in the early 1980s that most young people saw an explicit visual depiction of penectomy (the one in _To Live and Die in L.A._ in 1979 was implicit and wrapped in a buffer of judgmentalism and moral ambiguity). I talked to girls about that movie and even they were somewhat traumatized by that scene. But the strategy of that scene was as a corrective to the growing awareness among men that women needed us for their babies and we had been deceived about that by Feminists for quite some time, so it was seen as "necessary" to strengthen the misdirection that the penis is somehow only an asset to a man rather than being just incredibly ambiguous, and to frighten men into obedience because we were at risk of not being fools any longer.

My formative years were also the peak of the horror that is Postmodernism, the French-origin deranged lunacy arising as a child of Existentialism and the grandchild of Martin Heidegger's solution to Friedrich Nietzsche's incredibly influential philosophical argument that knowledge is impossible. Nietzsche was relying on Nineteenth-Century science for his premises, but he was such a superb logician and so incredibly subtle in his reasoning, as well as bombastically powerful in his writing, that there are still large swathes of society who feel that knowledge is impossible on the basis of his influence. Yet Nineteenth-Century science has proven to be the sloppiest and least scientific Medievalism in the history of human thought, and pretty much everything that Nineteenth-Century people considered scientific "fact"--including the absurd notion of the "fact"--would now be laughable if the enduring harm it has done didn't still linger. What tragically happened is that the Twentieth Century of the Western world is a Lost Century because everything about it revolved around desperate attempts to find some replacement for knowledge that would do for us what knowledge had done for us and that we absolutely needed to have done if we were to survive and function. So along came Postmodernism and the psychotic rejection of reasoning-as-such as "phallogocentric" and the glorification of bare emotion as not only all that is Good and True but also the weapon that would liberate us from the Oppression of reasoning. I wish to God I were making this shit up but I lived through it. Among educated people that sillyfoolery has been abandoned with much regret that it ever happened, but there is still a strong culture of deliberate logical incoherence and rejection of reasoning that warps today's world. The notion of expression is based on that rejection, as expression is a one-way street in which there can be no dialogue without the expressor feeling violated by any attempt at rebuttal. As a result of that, instead of dialogue, you get competing expressions that lead to irresolvable conflict unless the conflict is resolved by who expresses more forcefully and thereby intimidates the other into knuckling under. This has nothing whatsoever to do with supposed cultural roots of external social control by means of displays of power, as have existed in parts of South America, the Middle East, and Africa. Stable societies in those places have involved leaders who use power to maintain social order and direction, and therefore make displays of power wisely. The North American use of displays of power solely to grab up goodies and sugarplums for oneself personally, and everybody else can rot in hell, is not an approach that would have maintained order and direction in any of those traditional societies for even a split-second. The North American approach is completely devoid of social conscience on the larger scale needed for stable anything, and its conception of leadership vision is that of the self-indulgent despot only interested in gratifying himself at any social cost.

Having my formative years take place under such social conditions was extremely damaging to me. As a result my life was permanently stunted, and I have never been able to survive without my birth family as my caregivers. Now my physical health is deteriorated enough and I''m facing enough spiteful perversity from health care providers that I'm not seeing myself surviving for much longer. And, honestly, seeing the end of the road of my life has helped me immensely in terms of finding the intermittent annoyances of dick hillarious and the pining I did for a significant other in my twenties as the folly of a child.

Thanks for reading.

mgtow-zen · 2019-02-16T20:53:57+00:00

Yes, it goes away (and temporarily returns sometimes)

It won't go away until you realize you already have the things you were seeking in relationship.

Until you realize this, the thoughts won't go away. Your subconscious mind is following the program. You still believe, perhaps in anger and despair, that women have your happiness. You might say you don't, you may think you don't, but you do indeed believe this. You must let go of this belief, and it runs very very deep.

DT1726 · 2019-02-17T09:03:07+00:00

Sometimes, one's mind wanders and they wonder what if and they dream/envision a "perfect relationship"

how long does it take for these thoughts to stop or is it something that never truly goes away?

When you tell yourself that "I don't need anyone to love me". Just do day everyday and you will see the effect.

Title	How Long Does It Take?
Author	ImmediateLeadership3
Upvotes	6
Comments	5
Date	February 16, 2019 6:03 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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