Many posts on here will go into the reasoning of staying in frame and why girls will tend to respond positively to your assertiveness, confidence, and self respect. In many cases this will increase her attraction to you, it will help you avoid being domineered by a woman that seeks to control you. I am well aware of this and have seen it first hand in both LTRs and plates, and non sexual encounters for that matter.

BUT, not always talked about is the girls that don't respond well to a man holding frame. The ones that counter with guilt tripping, increased possessiveness, insults, and in many cases rage. Let's take a look at why this happens.

Guilt Tripping is one of the oldest tricks in the book of how to control men. It involves 2 main steps: 1. The strong and rapid seizing of the victim banner and 2. Manipulation of perspective to paint you as the bad guy. Once established that you are the bad guy for reasons x, y, and z you will feel obligated to appease the "victim" (truly the aggressor). It is not because she is telling you to, but rather because the circumstances demand it, and that any "good" and "respectful" and "loving" man in your position would do the same. It is a distortion of truth that allows men to feel the need to do anything that is not their own choice. There are very few things in the entire world that can obligate you to anything, much less a useless girl that resorts to emotional manipulation over just being hot and getting what they want. While very aggresive, guilt tripping is NOT an effective method of coercion if you stay in frame because YOU have the choice of how you react.

Possessiveness is the next more severe form of blitzkrieg counter attack to a man holding frame. It is OVERT and recognizable, different than most subtle methods girls use, but that is because it is more desperate and closer to a last ditch effort. It will involve her trying to explicitly control your thoughts, actions, feelings, etc. to avoid any threat of a real man's decisions which are certainly not in HER best interests. This goes back to the "Distrust that particular flavor" post that I highly recommend reading directly after this if you haven't already. She will feign care about your best interests but is really just trying to puppet you into her frame, her agenda, her goals, and her secure lockdown of a blue pilled weakling. She will be highly reactive, volatile, and outright scary if you respond to possessiveness with independence, self determination, and distance. She is using lesser of evils approach to make you choose her control over an all out war with a fiery cunt. If you aren't going to just leave her forever on the spot - something I would recommend doing back in the guilt stage - and you're set on saving the relationship (something she isn't interested in btw) you MUST choose the war over her control. There is no way to dig out of the deep and we'll guarded pit of submission of you fall into this trap. She has seen the hints of Independence from you and FEARS it. She will not risk you running off because she likes having you under her thumb. So this is as much of a learning experience for her as it is for you. By ignoring the displays of wrath and seemingly unavoidable path of submission, and choosing to stay in frame, you will experience the next phase of rage, but have made the correct choice. You are still in your frame, regardless of her antics. Again this is not me supporting staying in this mess, just explaining the steps she will be taking. You should take all these as signs to leave, not obstacles to navigate in some perverted Temple run game of life.

Rage is the final line of defense against a girl losing control of her beta bitch. She is no longer banking on you having feelings for her. She no longer is seeking for you to choose to stay. She is now at the point that she prefers screaming and threatening you into submission than to lose you and be left high and dry in a dating pool where she has literally no value. She knows she's dead the moment you walk, so she has nothing to lose. In the framework of her logic (if you can even call a woman logical) is that she has nothing to lose. From her position this is the best choice of action so don't be surprised by it. Also don't think than any of it is because she values you or cares about you - this is ONLY about HER as it has been from day 1 with this kind manipulative bitch.

She will yell, throw fits, possibly be violent, insult you, and threaten legal and illegal retaliation for you doing the unspeakable sin of leaving a darling like her. Filled into the gaps between burst of attacks will still be convoluted explanations of how she's right and innocent, and merely defending herself. This stage is the most dangerous to stay in not only from the perspective of frame but actually physical, financial, and legal danger. You need to be running 6 months ago, but if you ever find yourself facing this you are in some really deep shit. I recommend documenting her rage with audio, video, and text recording to avoid any post mortem attacks from the grave.

I think it's important to mention all of this because there is not a single response to a man holding frame that is always good. Nor is this the default of a negative response, merely the extremes that it can get to. Most girls will engage in some grey area between rejection and these methods of retention. Just remember what we've been reading on this sub for ever

TL;DR

  1. Girls have 3 main phases of retention through control that are progressively more overt and dangerous to endure: Guilt, Possessiveness, and Rage. How to avoid them? Run. How to navigate* them if you are set on fixing your relationship: (which I DONT recommend) Hold frame.

  2. Even in non LTR situations, some grey variant of these methods will probably be used by a girl to try to control interactions and as a shit test as well. As much as some may respond positively to you holding frame. Some will escalate in this order and are never even worth plating because of the risk.

  3. DGAF, and always distance when in doubt - to the point of leaving if you aren't immediately met with positive reactions.