Thoughts on finding mgtow

MajorBeef24 · 2016-10-21T12:20:23+00:00

As I see it, the bit that makes you 'going your own way' or not is:

Thing is, I’m not willing to compromise on my big van trip plans, or pretty much anything else

You've got 'your way' and you're not gonna let it go for some woman. That's great, and IMO you'll thank yourself for it big time.

But MGTOW is a bit more/further than that and includes doing (or not doing) certain things to protect and maintain your freedom to do what you want to. Marriage takes away your freedom by holding your wealth ransom, having kids does that moreso and also holds your kids ransom. Guys will put up with so much shit from their wife so they can still see their kids every day.

Having a live-in gf can be similar to marriage in certain countries and states, but not others. It's very important to know what the laws are where you live.

But if you're not in such a location, then I don't think that's a threat.

But there's still one more huge threat - slowly being pussy-whipped/domesticated/tamed/controlled. It happens a lot and is slow and insidious. Emotional dependence is as much a threat as legal/financial dependence. You must be so careful about this if you want to keep your self-respect. Most women will slowly turn their men into pets, then the men will be unhappy and so will the women.

I don't know how to counter that. I'm not sure there is a way in the very-long-term. You can keep holding it off with lots of effort, but spend enough time being lovey with a woman and it'll get harder and harder. In my experience this has been a huge problem.

The only solution I can think of is a relationship time limit. No cohabitation would help extend the limit and make it easier. Women put unconscious time limits on relationships anyway, don't feel bad about consciously doing it.

I don't know man, you're good now, and sounds like you're safe. Where you're heading is dangerous, you might be alright but you might not.

Anyway, you're right about most girls lack of interest in having fun. That song is total bull for most women. Unless you translate 'fun' into 'Chad's dick' then it's wrong. Most women IME are serious and boring, they don't want to just go and explore and do silly/funny things just for the sake of it. This rubs off on their LTRs and is why most guys get kinda boring when they're in those relationships.

Average woman wants to play houses, shop, chat with her girlfriends etc. Not explore, mess about, have fun. The girls who do just wanna have fun are often crazy too. Best bet is a normal-ish girl with a fun streak to her, the middle ground if there exists a middle ground.

Never compromise on your dreams. Never negotiate your happiness. Just get on and do them and enjoy!

And leave a girl asap if she gets controlling, it will start off small so keep your eyes open for it.

clew114 · 2016-10-21T11:20:14+00:00

Read/Listen MGTOW to get a better idea. Women probably won't ever want what you want, they see you as a resource and not as you see them (or who they appear to be).

Be patient with the demonic language, there's a DEFINITE point to it.

You can decide afterwards if you think women deserve rights in the same sense as men's rights and if you really feel navigating the dating minefield is worth it.

I'm not sure what you mean by demonisation. It's not hard to point a finger at a demon and say "This is a demon." - - and nor is it wrong.

oldredder · 2016-10-21T13:54:07+00:00

1, I do want a long term female companion, both for sex and for romance. I’m going on dates here as part of the search. Thing is, I’m not willing to compromise on my big van trip plans, or pretty much anything else I’ve decided in my life and this cuts the number of eligible women down to about zero as far as I can tell.

Even worse than you wrote. Literally every long-term female companion is a drain on your resources, an immature child and frequently will pick fights with you just to feel good about herself.

There's no way I'd want that long-term. Ever. You can get regular sex on the road. There's women who do look just for that, a man who isn't sticking around.

Nothing on this earth is worth "long term sex" with the same girl with all the bullshit that girl will have.

WILL HAVE.

I’m shocked at posters advocating removing rights/votes from women, surely they’re thinking feeling humans like you and I.

They're nothing like us men. However I don't want any government taking any rights from anyone because it sure as fuck won't stop with just ONE group. That's a trick people ALWAYS fall for.

Do you have to reject relationships with women to call yourself MGTOW?

Almost but if you don't reject relationships then you must have immense control with zero ability for the law to step in and let her put you in jail for false rape, false violence claims or to take all your shit from co-habitation and that includes future income and that includes current bank accounts, not just purchased things.

Or is it enough to just do your own thing, while still hoping somewhere there’s a woman who does want the same life you want?

That is foolish. NO WOMEN want the life a man wants. None.

EpsilonJoe · 2016-10-21T15:02:02+00:00

You'd be purple pill not MGTOW if you want that type of lifestyle in the future. I like the van idea though, good way to have freedom if needed and a way to deter gold diggers.

BruceJennerTesticles · 2016-10-21T10:09:53+00:00

You’d think my porta-pottie was made out of live snakes by the way women ask “But where will you go to the toilet?!” (I clean it almost every day, after doing micro-bio at uni I’m well aware if the benefits of good sanitation)

I always find this kind of mistaken understanding of hygiene things to be rather hilarious.

The "benefits of good sanitation" have essentially nothing to do with your own health, but rather with the health of others you come in contact with.

If you are the ONLY person to use your "porta pottie" then there is no means for you to become infected with anything that you yourself are not already infected with. Much more critical (to your health) is where you obtain your drinking water, where/how you obtain & cook your food, etc.

Moreover, in terms of microbiological threats of any private* residence (be it a 'home' or a 'van') the "dirtiest" place in is far more likely to be the kitchen (countertops, sinks, cutting boards), rather the toilet facilities.**

^* ^BIG ^difference ^(massive) ^between ^a ^private ^bathroom ^and ^a ^public ^one. ^(The ^irony ^here ^of ^course ^is ^that ^the ^women ^going ^"ewww" ^over ^the ^idea ^of ^a ^{"porta-pottie"} ^probably ^have ^no ^such ^reaction ^over ^using ^the ^facilities ^at ^a ^restaurant ^or ^other ^public ^place, ^even ^though ^the ^latter ^are ^much ^riskier ⁱⁿ ^{epidemiological} ^terms.)

^** ^Fun ^little ^tidbit ^from ^that ^article: ^"Ironically, ^Gerba ^said ^his ^own ^findings ^suggest ^that ^living ^like ^a ^slob ^is ^better ^than ^meticulously ^cleaning ^the ^kitchen ^with ^a ^dirty ^sponge. ^A ^study ^he ^carried ^out ¹⁰ ^years ^ago ^found ^that ¹⁰ ^per ^cent ^of ^kitchen ^sponges ^contained ^salmonella. ^One ^of ^his ^most ^astounding ^findings ^was ^that ^bachelors ^had ^the ^cleanest ^kitchens. ^They ^just ^threw ^their ^dishes ^into ^the ^kitchen ^sink ^and ^didn't ^spread ^bacteria ^by ^wiping ^surfaces."

On to the "MGTOW" questions:

But here’s where I disagree with some of the posters here

1, I do want a long term female companion, both for sex and for romance.

That isn't "disagreeing with some of the posters here" -- it is a fundamental MISUNDERSTANDING of the meaning of "MGTOW" -- you want to water it down so that IT "fits" YOU.

The plain truth is, that if you WANT a long term relationship, then you're simply not MGTOW, period.

And why would you want to label yourself as something you are NOT? Is it that you think it's "trendy" and "kewl"? Or do you somehow think that if you DON'T claim the label that you will somehow NOT be able to make your own choices???

Question at the heart of this I guess is this? Do you have to reject relationships with women to call yourself MGTOW?

This isn't a "club" and you can delusionally "call yourself" whatever you want -- call yourself a "Martian" if you want, doesn't mean you'll actually BE from the planet Mars -- sleep in a barn, eat hay, stick a saddle on your back and call yourself a "horse" if you want, you still won't actually BE a horse.

If you're desiring and looking to be in (or actually in) some long term relationship -- yet calling yourself "MGTOW" -- all you're really doing is deluding yourself, lying to others, and misapplying the term. You may as well look at a BLUE sky and say "My isn't that a nice GREEN sky," or again look at the GREEN leaves on trees and say "Wow, aren't those leaves a lovely shade of PURPLE."

Title	Thoughts on finding mgtow
Author	tamgtow
Upvotes	5
Comments	9
Date	October 21, 2016 9:23 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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I always find this kind of mistaken understanding of hygiene things to be rather hilarious.