Is the alt-right generally anti-MGTOW?

feedmecarrots · 2016-10-21T11:48:45+00:00

At right is trad con

BruceJennerTesticles · 2016-10-21T10:43:45+00:00

Problem is that "alt-right" is actually a very BROAD and vague "tent" term that covers a rather huge range of people.

Is it generally anti-MGTOW? I don't think specifically so -- certainly doesn't seem to be one of the main tenets (though those are actually somewhat difficult to pin down, as there is disagreement on many aspects -- as indeed, seems to also be a continual problem with the definition of "MGTOW" as well {repeated waves of people trying to make it "more inclusive" -- i.e. men wanting claim the "label" of MGTOW even though it doesn't "fit" them as they are married or in LTR, etc}).

But, are a LOT* of "alt-right" people phenomenally "blue pill"? Undoubtedly.

Nor should that be surprising; because while not exactly "trad-cons" they ARE often attempting to return to (salvage?) a society that is among other things supportive of "family" (in opposition to the "left," and indeed even "center," being very ANTI-FAMILY).

So if/when any of them perceive or think of MGTOW as being "anti-family" (as opposed to individuals choosing to be "a-familial" {i.e. not necessarily opposed to family, just NOT wanting one themselves}) -- it would NOT be surprising that they would (ignorantly IMO) make "anti-MGTOW" statements (even including, ironically enough, using the same "shaming" language that the LEFT does against men/boys in general -- basically that any man who DOESN'T have {or at least desperately want} a wife/kids will be labeled as "gay/incel/luzer" etc).

* As I noted in another comment ITT, no idea what that "a lot" would be in %; it's maybe 50% of the "big talkers" but of the overall pop of lurkers/supporters, I think it's probably less (though anyone's guess there, since you really can't "pin down" who is/is not really "alt right").

EDIT: To expand on that last paragraph, I think a lot of those types are -- whether they recognize or realize it or not -- eventually/inevitably headed down the same path as the "trad cons" ("cuckservatives") that they claim to despise.

Per example Teddy Beale (aka Vox Day); for as much of a zealot as he appears to be (behaves as); and despite all of his disdain for "churchianity" (of which his analysis & critique is fairly "spot on" IMO)... at the same time, he enables & facilitates his wife (aka "SpaceBunny") engaging in things that WILL eventually (via slow but steady "creeping") lead right back to the same kind of "churchianity."

And while he would no doubt utterly REJECT the idea that he is at all "cucked"... one can easily see that she has him "wrapped around her little finger" so to speak, and that he would doubtless go all "chivalrous/white knight" to defend her (i.e. and I don't simply mean the "objective" apect of husband defending wife in a LEGAL sense, but rather that he doubtless would {by default} BELIEVE whatever she alleged {w/o question}, and he would immediately {prejudicially, like a brainless automaton} head out fully-armed to vigilante-fashion slay whatever "dragon" she pointed him at).

In short, for all his bravado (i.e. "alpha-alpha" or as I call them "Alfalfa's") -- like nearly ALL married men -- he's still "pussy whipped," and (like nearly ALL married men) in utter denial of it (because that "gamma" aspect of himself is too threatening to his psyche/self-image, and he would mistakenly believes he's being "alpha").

RecQuery · 2016-10-21T11:07:44+00:00

Most of the alt-right stuff I've seen is very NAWALT with the women they like being special unicorns and the others being the problem, they court MGTOW as a resource.

I agree with some alt-right points depending on the issue, but I wouldn't consider them as acting in the best interests of me or MGTOW.

A traditionalist or right society can be just as gynocentric and in some cases more-so than any other society.

oldredder · 2016-10-21T09:51:17+00:00

Don't care. All right/left is a puppet show of fakery manufactured conflict to keep the slaves from killing their masters.

PaulH23 · 2016-10-21T13:17:27+00:00

Insults don't bother me anymore. If I persist "weak" and "cowardly" then so be it. I'd rather be "weak" and "cowardly" than to marry a lying, distasteful whore!

DigitalScetis · 2016-10-21T13:24:15+00:00

I think the ball is in the court of the alt-right, and I've seen evidence that the alt-right is split on their stance on MGTOW.

You have some, like Milo Yiannopoulos, who seem to relate to MGTOW quite favorably. They understand our reasons for going our own way, and they do not blame us one bit for doing so. They understand that the climate and state of things today has made MGTOW necessary.

Then there are others, mainly of the PUA set and the white nationalist set, who frame MGTOW as "the enemy" no better (and perhaps much worse) than the SJWs. Angelo John Gage is probably the most infamous example of this kind of alt-right type we know about, but you see Vox Day, Matt Forney, Roissy and others dip into this contempt for MGTOW from time to time.

As far as my interests as a MGTOW are concerned, these people have never quite made the case for me that I, as a single adult MGTOW who has better things to do than chase women, would fare better under an alt-right philosophy of politics. Their stance against misandrist laws and culture is appealing, but their contempt for what they call "beta, bluepilled losers who can't get laid" make it just as likely that they'll throw me in a camp and put a bullet in my head out of the sheer delight in doing so.

So I think the burden is not on us to demonstrate how we "fit" into the alt-right; the burden is on the alt-right to demonstrate to us that it is in our interest to buy into their ideology. I mean, we are decent, law-abiding men who take care of ourselves. We do not place a drain on the state; if anything, we give to the state more than we get from the state. We don't go marching with SJWs. We respect the truth. Say what you will about how "beta" we are, or how our "mindset" is wrong, or how we are "race traitors" or what have you, but we don't march in rallies with pink hair...why are we then treated as if we do?

We have suffered under the tyranny of progressive campaigns against us, suffered under the tyranny of tradcon campaigns against us, and are made into the phantom cause for nearly every problem that exists in the countries we are in. We have no friends to the right or the left of us; sometimes, however, it would be nice to have one.

Can the alt-right be that friend? It's up to them, but if they want to be our friend, they have to make the distinction between what is distasteful to them (our ZFG regarding the family and sexuality), and what is dangerous (subverting justice, creating chaos, etc.).

Many in the alt-right make no distinction between the two.

General_Fear · 2016-10-21T21:29:45+00:00

The alt-Right is catch all term to describe a very diverse group.

Some on the alt-Right are racist. In general, racist hate MGTOW because they are telling men not to make babies. White babies. They have no problem non White becoming MGTOW. But as far as racist are concerned, they want Whites to pump out as many babies as humanly possible.

Is the alt-right generally anti-MGTOW?

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Problem is that "alt-right" is actually a very BROAD and vague "tent" term that covers a rather huge range of people.

But, are a LOT* of "alt-right" people phenomenally "blue pill"? Undoubtedly.

Wow, what a total and complete douchebag that ignorant & moronic jackass is. Never ran across him before, but egads!

Title	Is the alt-right generally anti-MGTOW?
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Date	October 21, 2016 9:45 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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