Relishing the MGTOW attitude and how it led me to a great girl

ss_camaro · 2015-08-17T08:01:20+00:00

What is it about AWALT that you do not understand? She will stick around as long as you: 1. provide utility, 2. hold frame during shit-tests (tingles) and 3. are the best she thinks she can get at any given moment (hypergamy).

Post-wall, unless she's learned to cook and tolerates girlfriends, you're 10/10x better off when she bounces. She chiefly serves mechanical utility (sex) with big risks (pregnancy/marriage/blackmail) and downsides (eg the time value of money, self-actualization, etc).

pawsahf · 2015-08-17T14:42:20+00:00

I plead with you, go read all the comments at http://www.mgtow.com/comments-from-married-men/ they all begin the same as yours before the inevitable fall.

How many times have we heard some pussy-drunk wishful thinker understandably trying to convince himself and others he actually found the mythical NAWALT?

Just remember:

Once that "glass" ring hits her finger, all bets are off, she now owns your ass. Predictably, a frenemy of hers will mock her glass ring leading to her asking for an upgrade, guaranteed (comparing the quality of their wedding rings is well documented professional blood sport of married women of all ages) .
Once she hits the wall between 30 and 35, her priorities will increasingly be focused on nesting, status and domestic/beauty product acquisition. Your low maintenance girl who washed her clothes in the tub will now be demanding the top of the line steam washer/dryer. Whilst simultaneously spending $40 dollars a week on dry cleaning work outfits to impress other women in the office (and also to catch the eye of that cute dude in marketing just in case things don't work out with you, due to her innate hypergamous mating strategy programmed into her through millions of years of evolution).

Sorry for the harsh reality, but it is not a matter of if you are going to wake up from your NAWALT fantasy, it is only a matter of when. For your sake, I hope it is sooner rather than later.

DarkestJ · 2015-08-17T22:10:28+00:00

There's nothing MGTOW about you. You're another closeted blue-pilled simp fooled by a make-believe unicorn.

Have fun getting fucked over. You should come back to this thread and read the comments when you are inevitably fucked over.

Techynot · 2015-08-17T18:08:15+00:00

I thoroughly enjoyed my 20's and had 2 "Nawalt" relationships similar to what you describe. One of them suddenly went born again Christian on me without warning... goodbye. The other flamed out after 4 years and about 300 fucks (it always gets old after around 200 fucks). In your 20's it is very, very hard to accept that this wonderful, beautiful creature can possibly transform into something completely different. Unfortunately you have to experience this to finally understand it (red pill)

that said, I do believe in Nawalt. But it is only a very tiny percentage, probably less than 5%. I am 56 and in all that time have only known two couples that happily married for life and fit the description of a perfect fantasy llife long marriage. It could happen to you I suppose. But be forewarned, women have this ability to change completely at certain points in their life. And when they do they are perfectly ok with how they rationalize it and the man is always taken by surprise.

I would say let it all play out and enjoy it for all you are worth. if you don't you will forever be looking back and tormenting yourself (was she really the one? my unicorn?). I did this with my "first love" and for 20 years believed I had lost my Unicorn. then she left the guy who stole her from me and destroyed him in divorce court. I soon after had my dream come true and she reeled me in. Within two years I came to understand the true bitch that she was and that I had dodged a bullet. The cunt would have destroyed me had that poor SOB not married her while I was away for a year in college.

Just protect yourself

SCROTAL-SACK · 2015-08-17T10:28:23+00:00

You're not the first who believed this. And you won't be the last. It's naive. As I say to everyone who think's they've found their unicorn.. Wait until shit hits the fan or she's managed to lock you down in some way. Good luck.

2015-08-17T11:13:33+00:00

Most ltrs start out good. It's usually around the 1-5 year mark when things suck ass..

Or when they turn 30. Women go crazy between 30-35.

SergeantDickhead · 2015-08-17T20:57:02+00:00

OP. Watch this whole video, it might just save your ass.

https://youtu.be/12QFwl4nijw

Asari_Lover · 2015-08-18T14:00:34+00:00

I barely have much business speaking on this subject but I feel it needs to be said. All women are AWALTs, only the most astronomical minority are capable of completely eliminating their instinct toward hypergamy and that woman is 1/10,000. If you believe and behave in a way that suggests you think she's your super special snowflake princess she will notice and her antics WILL begin. Often with intentionally bending rules to see how you'll react, to outright breaking them to shit test how you'll respond.

Every woman is like this and you cannot delude yourself into thinking she's different or she can - though may not - destroy you with absolutely no sympathy because she never evolved to have them. Also, you must teach yourself that there is no such thing as love. Love is your brain firing euphoric hormones called Dopamine which react to the pleasure centers of your mind when she does something agreeable or rewarding to you. Your brain is essentially tricking you into liking her and your physiology is in love with her body because you unconsciously wish to mate with her on an animal level. There is no such thing as true unconditional love, you are infatuated with the concept of femininity and sexually attracted to her looks. Once you learn this you can train to live without her and she will never have control of you. That is the essence of relationships in a world based on survival, taking what you can while giving the minimum in return; both parties do this and only those lying in the street with everything they own taken from them think it unfair. The one who cares the least holds the power and it is foolish to let someone hold power of you.

http://raymondinegypt.tripod.com/articles-04/love-chemistry.htm

alanwatttts · 2015-08-17T12:27:03+00:00

Don't let the bitch pressure you into marriage.

Anonymous_freeloader · 2015-08-17T19:50:33+00:00

How long have you known/been with this girl? If you're truly MGTOW at heart you know there is a lust phase. Nobody is saying you can't be with or screw other women while maintaining the MGTOW philosophy, so long as you are aware of the consequences. Some of the more philosophical purists will disagree, but going cold turkey isn't easy for everyone, especially if they don't have the experiences to fall back on.

Be careful. Don't try to sabotage it prematurely to learn as much as you can from it, but don't put your blinders on either. You may think she's the diamond in the rough, but I'm pretty sure many of us on this very sub-reddit alone can tell you they've been in a relationship for weeks, months, or even years that started the exact same way. It's all up to the woman whether or not she can maintain the illusion for a long period of time. It's one thing you'll learn to figure out. Men are more honest about who they are up front while women put out this image that they can be anyone you want them to be.

2015-08-17T23:33:56+00:00

Dude, I hope you realize that women are shapeshifters. I'm glad I'm no longer that naive.

Natsume25 · 2015-08-18T09:12:58+00:00

I like a girl who is everything he describes.

But I refuse to date her, I have actively watched her try to branch swing when your boyfriend and she was having problems. I was like if she can do that to him, she can do it to me.

I'm in my 20s and even I know this.

manzone22 · 2015-08-19T11:24:22+00:00

I dont doubt how you feel but you have to remember that time changes people, when her biological clock starts ticking all bets are off even if she swears on her grandmothers grave that she dosent want kids ever. Heard of one guy that dated a nawalt for 5 yrs thought sweet and put a ring on it then a few months later that sweet laid back nawalt shape shifted into a awalt girl that he regerts. Before you get married read up on the divorce laws on where you live so you get a idea on what can happen if she decides to wake up one day and is not in love with you anymore as she is a different person now. Wish you all the luck bro

bonusfruit · 2015-08-17T10:58:24+00:00

Thanks for sharing. You are getting a lot of pushback but if we are honest this is something we would all like to have. I don't recommend all guys hold out hope for a girl like that but I'll say best wishes to you and remember to remain somewhat cautious. She's still a woman

MaunaLoona · 2015-08-17T09:13:09+00:00

I'm glad it's working out for you. Keep red pill knowledge in the back of your head and only take risks you are willing to accept.

2015-08-17T12:53:29+00:00

Congrats on finding someone who seems good, at least for the moment. In the same way that a small fraction of men are MGTOW, a small fraction of women are 'good'. You seem to be one of the lucky few to have stumbled upon one - in my opinion actively searching is a waste of time. All the best, proceed with caution.

Title	Relishing the MGTOW attitude and how it led me to a great girl
Author	Phroneo
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Date	August 17, 2015 6:49 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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