~ archived since 2018 ~

Quick question: Are white knights waking up?

1MasterBaker · 2019-11-17T02:16:43+00:00

Does it seem to you that white knights are waking up? I'm not taking about regular guys but the kids asses of the...

1MasterBaker

November 17, 2019

1 upvotes

/r/MGTOW2

Archived from /r/MGTOW2

r/MGTOW2 is a subreddit for discussions on how MGTOW can (and has) been a good life decision.

TheRedArchive is an archive of Red Pill subreddits and blogs. This page is our copy of the original post.

/r/MGTOW2 archive

Download the post

Want to save the post for offline use on your device? Choose one of the download options below:

PDF TXT EPUB

Support the archive

Everything here was supposed to disappear. Banned subreddits, deleted communities, cancelled blogs — much of what is archived here survives nowhere else.

It stays free — no paywall, no account — for the next man who comes looking, the way it was free for you.

I pay for the servers, the storage and the bandwidth myself. If you want this record still standing in ten years, become one of the people who keeps it online.

Support the archive

Post Information

Title	Quick question: Are white knights waking up?
Author	1MasterBaker
Upvotes	1
Comments	37
Date	November 17, 2019 2:16 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/dxgm4l/quick_question_are_white_knights_waking_up/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW2/quick-question-are-white-knights-waking-up.811681 https://theredarchive.com/post/811681

Comments

[–]MaestroLogical13 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]flipitsmike3 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Traccoon11 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]MyLittlePonyofDoom5 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]8017355 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]BadDad012343 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FatChild443 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FatChild441 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FatChild441 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FatChild441 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Why would women want to be committed to someone who has no self respect? I see why they enjoy the attention but ofc they’re not genuinely committing to people who are just infatuated with them.

White nights are people who just give and give and kiss ass, regardless of if anyone gives anything back to them. That’s how I interpreted how you defined them. In a perfect world people would exchange services, but people can be twats and take advantage of people who are going to kiss their ass regardless of if they treat them well or not.

Love is about give and take. I don’t believe you can be in love with someone without being with them. If you’re constantly giving and kissing ass, and they’re only giving you attention when they want something, that’s infatuation. It’s not the woman’s fault white nights exist. It’s shitty when people let others kiss their ass for nothing, but they’re taking advantage of something that’s already happening.

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Why would women want to be committed to someone who has no self respect?

The more important questions are 1)"why would a woman, if she had your best interests at heart, allow you to lower yourself to such a level , ?" Or 2)"Why is it so accepting for women to act this way and why can't a woman just tell those guys that they'll never have a chance?" You answered your own question in a way... It's because women like the attention. 3) "Why do women cling to men who have no true interest in them,other than having sex but when they have children by those same assholes latch on to the guy that held hey in high regards to raise the child?" (I've seen this scenario play out boom out my entire life, so don't say it's not true)

Women get too much of a pass for treating men as though they are beneath them (even if those men are socially inept or incels). The world is pushing a narrative that "if a man gets used by women daily for having low self esteem, that's his problem" but if a woman gets used it's "you deserve better" "Married men are happier and live longer" is another lie FLOODED in your Google searches. Men often times lowered themselves to such a level because that's what women claim to love. A selfless man willing to give his life for the woman he cares about in hopes of getting her to finally recognize him as a suitable mate and life partner. Which brings me to this hidden gynocentric society to which we live in. They want you to cater to women it seems. Sad but true. Society loves the man's which gives to the woman. Women today are told that they're empowered and should be treated like Queens. I should know... Because I've been surrounded by this narrative my entire life. "Don't hit women even if she hits you, the woman is always right In the relationship, you're meant to be the provider, if a woman cheats it's mostly your fault."

White nights are people who just give and give and kiss ass, regardless of if anyone gives anything back to them.

I take it you've never been on the other end of that sentence. Either you, yourself are a woman or weren't the ugly duckling growing up but this statement is harsh and extremely narrow minded.

What these men are trying to do is show you that they're the best providers for those women. It's a primal thing. Goes back as far as natural selection itself but because they lack prime genes they tend to snow woman their worth through means of support. Emotional, financial or other. "I might not be as attractive as your ex bf but I'm better than him in a lot of ways"

Love is about give and take. I don’t believe you can be in love with someone without being with them

Love doesn't really exist in the bullshit philosophical way that everyone wants to believe it does. Pair bonding is what you're referring to , which is grey. It's only natural selection with extra steps, combined with personal preference. So what you said was just excused completely by me.

In any case good talk. ☑️👍

[–]FatChild442 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

But women who take advantage of “white knights” don’t have the other person’s best interests at heart. And dude, women often do tell these men they don’t have a chance and they keep kissing ass. It doesn’t just happen this way round with the genders either. I’ve seen scenarios like this play out time and time again, and it is in no way a gynocentric issue.

How do you believe love exists?

Even if a man is gorgeous or fit or rich, or whatever you might consider to be “prime genes”, if it isn’t a dynamic of give and take, I don’t believe its love. If it’s just “providing” it’s not exciting, or comforting or anything being in love is meant to be.

People who just give and give and kiss ass aren’t in love, they’re just desperate for validation. I can sympathize with it. Hell man, I’ve been it. It’s tough, and it doesn’t come out of nowhere. That doesn’t make it justified though. Other people are assholes for taking advantage of that, but ultimately you’re the person who has the problem in the first place if you’re a “white night” (I don’t literally mean you, I mean white knights in general)

Yea interesting talk.

[–]1MasterBaker0 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

But women who take advantage of “white knights” don’t have the other person’s best interests at heart

A lot of them often say that they are in it for themselves, yes... But not the majority. The majority of women aren't cam girls , so we're not talking about those white knights AND AGAIN here you are pushing the narrative that "if a man had low self esteem he deserves what he gets"! You're sexist and don't even want to acknowledge it! Do you realize how heartless you sound? Would you say this if it was the other way around and men were taking advantage of women? No... You wouldn't. These men are desperate for attention because they know they're at the bottom of the totem. That's not fair to judge then but then again... You're a female. I don't expect you to get it. Not saying women don't get rejected but you don't want to see where these men are coming from. It's not in your best interest to. Since your new to the whole lesbian dating thing, do me a favor first... Date a few women and then you'll figure it out. You'll be complaining about what men complain about in no time at all. I've seen it happen time and time again with MY lesbian friends.

And dude, women often do tell these men they don’t have a chance and they keep kissing ass.

YES, that's why I asked the question above. Again you seem to want to push this more than it needs to be. Men have A NEED, A primal urge to plant their seed and even wish to start a family. A lot of THOSE men WILL-NEVER get that chance but they still try, even when in denial. That's why they're called what they're called. In their minds they think they can fight the odds. That doesn't mean you should mock them. YOU are the condescending one. Not me.

I’ve seen scenarios like this play out time and time again, and it is in no way a gynocentric issue.

Lol. You can lie to yourself all you want. This however is a gynocentric society. Deal with it. From your posters, to your news media, to your movies, social circles, ect. You just don't want to acknowledge it. It's fine.

Even if a man is gorgeous or fit or rich, or whatever you might consider to be “prime genes”, if it isn’t a dynamic of give and take, I don’t believe its love. If it’s just “providing” it’s not exciting, or comforting or anything being in love is meant to be.

LMFAO 😂😂😂 Wtf do you think pair bonding is?! THERE-IS-NO-SUCH-THING-AS-WHAT-YOU'RE-LOOKING-FOR. You don't have to be exciting, if he's the rich one with everything you describe above the woman better getting something to the table😂. Aside from those things, you forget that men have personalities, they aren't fucking robots BUT they don't have to be ideal at that point. I've seen SO MANY say the Same thing. Mentioning love 🙄. I've seen so many women get married to men that they have nothing in common with.... And those men are usually rich, nice/kind, good looking and or 6 feet tall. Save your bullshit.

People who just give and give and kiss ass aren’t in love, they’re just desperate for validation. I can sympathize with it. Hell man, I’ve been it. It’s tough, and it doesn’t come out of nowhere. That doesn’t make it justified though. Other people are assholes for taking advantage of that, but ultimately you’re the person who has the problem in the first place if you’re a “white night” (I don’t literally mean you, I mean white knights in general)

Again I can somewhat agree but okay... At this point we'll do nothing more than run in circles. Love is based of natural selection. Period.

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FatChild44-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There is no MGTOW 1 and MGTOW 2. Only in the Reddit world. MGTOW is more so about men going their own way. Some are more mature than others, so they made different subs.

Don’t be a homophobe dude. I still interact with some of the male 50% of the population even if I don’t fuck them anymore.

I see we're not to bright. MGTOW is about more so the sexual/social interactions with the opposite sex. Dating ect. Being a homophobe has dick to do with this conversation. Why bother asking questions you have already made your mind up on anyway? This forum isn't for you, not because you bother to ask questions. This forum isn't for you simply due to the fact that even if explained to you logically as possible , as simple as possible, YOU CHOOSE not to understand it. The only reason you're here from what I see is you mock and try to persuade societies bullshit narrative. It's not a healthy narrative that men should follow. So men are walking away. I knew you'd turn this into an emotional argument though. You don't know what it's like to be a man, so you mock male struggle. It's cute. No-no. By all means. Continue.

[–]FatChild441 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Why do you think that by being condescending you’re being smart? You were homophobic. Not all interactions between men and women are sexual. If it were this would be a sad sad world. Please explain it to me as a simply and logically as possible. Because what I have seen on this forum is men ignoring and belittling women’s issues, and claiming that women do the same to mens issues.

You yourself said we were having a good discussion, now you think I’m a stupid woman choosing to ignore your self proclaimed “gynocentric society” and trying to mock you.

Believe me I don’t conform to societal narratives, why you could be so narrow minded as to try and perpetuate that after having had such a brief interaction with me is, frankly, ludicrous.

If you’ve actually read my comments on MGTOW you’d see that I’m not mocking the male struggle, I’m trying to suggest that the male struggle is not predominantly perpetuated by women, and that by victimizing themselves in such a way they’re retracting their own agency within the situation. MGTOW should be about male empowerment, regardless of women, and it doesn’t need to disempower women or claim they’re the source of their struggles in order to empower men. I think the same goes for your “white knight argument”.

I could be petty and say “you’ve never been a woman, you don’t understand female struggles”, but I believe in this thing called empathy. So far on MGTOW men have mocked me for being raped (a predominantly female struggle, and one that has seriously affected me), so please point out to me where I have mocked men for some of the serious issues they face.

[–]1MasterBaker1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Why do you think that by being condescending you’re being smart? You were homophobic.

Again... Not too bright are you? Annoyed by you, yes. Homophobic, no. I'm not afraid of you, dumbass. I'm just calling you on your bullshit. I Hang out with a couple of lesbian women and they even get tired of the games women play. More importantly when I told them I was "Redpill" they only asked me one thing. "Are you gay now?" And after I said no they said "I kind of see where your coming from" and left it at that. Lesbian women don't care what straight men do. 😂 Edit: They also asked what Redpill was... They laughed at it too but it's okay. Lol

Are you sure you're not bisexual?! Lol

You yourself said we were having a good discussion, now you think I’m a stupid woman choosing to ignore your self proclaimed “gynocentric society” and trying to mock you

We were having a good discussion... Until you ignored all my talking points and just wanted to speak. Oh... And that society that we love in is real. But again... You choose not to see it. Again... It's because it doesn't benefit you.

If you’ve actually read my comments on MGTOW you’d see that I’m not mocking the male struggle, I’m trying to suggest that the male struggle is not predominantly perpetuated by women.

Gaslighting male struggle in a passive aggressive way. That's all you're doing. If a woman decided to become a hooker because of her troubled nasty past she'd be seen as a victim by society... Men don't get the luxury of being victims even when we are. You don't bother to look up divorce rate ect because it doesn't fit what you want to put in men's minds. And even if that's what your doing... Why do you care? You don't. You need someone to debate with. That's all.

I could be petty and say “you’ve never been a woman, you don’t understand female struggles

AND YOU WOULD BE FUCKING CORRECT!!!! 😂😂😂 The only difference between your and my struggle is that your struggles get talked about WAY MORE than men's struggles and that's why men have "male rights" groups.

o far on MGTOW men have mocked me for being raped (a predominantly female struggle, and one that has seriously affected me), so please point out to me where I have mocked men for some of the serious issues they face.

Yeah... 1) Sorry for you, I noticed the story and didn't want to say anything about it. 2) I hope to go to therapy. Not condescending you, just telling you the truth. Most people never get over if they don't. At least from what I've seen and the women I've talked to about their past. 3) I was molested and almost raped as a kid. Do you think I can talk about it openly? Not to the woman I'm dating because it's seem as weakness. Oh and for your information... Men that are raped don't even come clean about it. Women might go through it more BUT HOW FUCKING DARE YOU UNDERMINE THE MEN THAT GO THROUGH IT?! Women rape too. 4) With all due respect you made MGTOW men look like monsters as a whole and self victimized yourself. Not saying what they did was right , it was evil but you just brought it up out of nowhere and it had nothing to do with the conversation... Which in turn makes me want to officially end this conversation. You flipped this entire thing and at placed yourself at the center of it. Making it awkward. So I'll end this here. I hope you get help though.

[–]FatChild440 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It’s painful how self-centered you are.

Thanks for generalizing lesbians. Really appreciate it.
You can’t say that life is harder for men. Men have issues, and misandry exists, and I’m glad there are make support groups for it. Female issues get discussed way more, because they’re a larger more dividing issue.
If a woman became a hooked, she would be seen as a victim. I dislike that outlook, and I believe that people should have agency in their own situations, and victimizing people takes that away from them.
Bro, people can empathize and understand each other’s struggles. We have been doing so literally forever. Sorry you can’t connect with other people who have non-make focused issues.
You noticed the story and you did comment on it when you talk about my “bad experiences with men” affecting my view of them.
Thanks for the concern, I’m doing the good ol’ therapy.
I hope you’ll be able to surround yourself with more positive women who will support you when you talk about your struggles, because believe me they exist. And being able to share you difficulties with someone and just have them be there when you need help and vice versa is a really secure and pleasant feeling. If you can’t be open about the horrible thing that happened to you as a kid with the woman you’re supposedly in love with, that’s a problem. Good luck (not at all condescending here man I’m being genuine)
I never undermined men going through rape, and you yourself freely acknowledge that it is a predominantly female issue as women go through it more. I’m not saying that men who have gone through rape don’t deserve/need all the support they can get too.
You say I made them look like monsters. You then follow that up with saying they’re evil. The MGTOW2 page even says in it’s description that it wants to be more male empowerment focused than MGTOW, because women aren’t the scourge of the earth nor are they the creators of male struggle. Sure, men can be hurt by women. Same goes the other way though. MGTOW2, I thought, was supposed to be about men supporting men, not about men collectively shitting on women to make themselves feel better.

[–]1MasterBaker1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It’s painful how self-centered you are

Now... Now you think you can judge. I apologised to you privately in your PM's for being to harsh and now you wish to capitalize on it. Typical. This seems to be more of a public spectacle for you.

You can’t say that life is harder for men. Men have issues, and misandry exists, and I’m glad there are make support groups for it

Then why don't you bother to look at it from there stand point... One minute you call them self victimized, the next you say this. It's not confusing on your part.

Men are ignored when it comes to struggle. That's my point. MGTOW Give men back their power , focusing on what they want in life, instead of what women and society tells them to want.

Female issues get discussed way more, because they’re a larger more dividing issue.

That's false and I can show you stats to prove it.

If a woman became a hooked, she would be seen as a victim. I dislike that outlook, and I believe that people should have agency in their own situations, and victimizing people takes that away from them.

It doesn't matter "what you think" because facts-don't-care-about-your-feelings. Men don't have a battered male shelters at Large despite the fact that men are now in the receiving end of being beaten nope often AND kicked out of their own homes. Yet men are told not to suck it up.

Thanks for generalizing lesbians

I didn't generalize lesbians. I've spoken to many. Most say the same thing. "When it comes to dating women and men, women are harder" . Get over it. BUT I FIND IT FUNNY THAT YOU'RE DON'T THE SAME THING WITH MGTOW.

victimizing people takes that away from them.

Seeing where someone's life went wrong isn't victimization. Staying in that situation after you realized what went wrong is. Self awareness or Lack of there of is what makes your a true victim and even then you can still be a victim.

Bro, people can empathize and understand each other’s struggles. We have been doing so literally forever. Sorry you can’t connect with other people who have non-make focused issues.

Coming from a woman that LITERALLY came to an entire forum dedicated to making men's lives better and pushing away societies standards of hope men should be and act... No.. No. You can't connect the dots because, Again, YOU-CHOOSE-NOT-TO.

Our issues aren't yours.

I hope you’ll be able to surround yourself with more positive women who will support you when you talk about your struggles, because believe me they exist.

No they don't. Lol. And the ones that do only do it because they like having power over their men. I've seen that play out as well. "Women, children and dogs are loved unconditionally. A man is loved based off of what he provides"

You say I made them look like monsters. You then follow that up with saying they’re evil. The MGTOW2 page even says in it’s description that it wants to be more male empowerment focused than MGTOW, because women aren’t the scourge of the earth nor are they the creators of male struggle

I've never said that they were the creators of the problem... The problem IF YOU BOTHERED to read is society and natural selection. Men are choosing to walk away from societies standards and you need to respect that. More importantly if you know that's what these men are doing Then why are you here??? -You're not a man. -You don't date men.

If you can’t be open about the horrible thing that happened to you as a kid with the woman you’re supposedly in love with,

I wish you would shit the fuck up about love. No, seriously. This is a logically based argument. Stop bringing emotions into this in order for me to feel some type of way. You're only going to cause this conversation to end.

You say I made them look like monsters

You did... Not all MGTOW are that way and not even the majority.

not about men collectively shitting on women to make themselves feel better.

Do yourself a favor... Go on the males rights group subreddit and see why I became Redpill.

[–]1MasterBaker1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]sneakpeekbot2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FatChild440 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Dude I literally never said men don’t have problems from society. I said I’m glad there are male support groups.

Then leave this one.

I just don’t like that a lot of them criticise this “gynocentric society” cause that’s bullshit cause women and men both have problems.

Never said women don't... You know WHAT? I'm explaining the sun to a man that's been blind his entire life. Please go away. Go to r/mensrights and tell them what you think.

I disagree about how prominent you think natural selection is when it comes to dating/sex/relationships/rejection

Lmao Facts don't care about what you feel and disagree with.

You apologized on direct message, but the actual debate is going on here

There's no more debate going on. You choose not to listen, you don't want to understand, you don't really care. This isn't too understand where men are coming from, this is to prove that your right.. or so you think.
If I apologise why call me self centered? You're something else entirely. Get a life and stop calling me dude. " I'm not your Buddy, guy"

[–]FatChild440 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FatChild440 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–][deleted]2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]MGTOW_BEASTMODE2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]1MasterBaker2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]FatChild441 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link