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Post-scarcity economy and women.

MaGeTOW

June 15, 2019
8 upvotes
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Will post-scarcity economies be enough to make the current gynocentric societies obsolete?

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Title Post-scarcity economy and women.
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MaGeTOW

Upvotes 8
Comments 7
Date June 15, 2019 2:07 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MGTOW2
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Comments

[–]Impossible-asset 1 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Please dont just post random links. Include a brief description or synopsis of the link or something that makes it relevant to mgtow.

So many drive by links and videos, it can get hard to sort people who are trying to make a contribution option vs someone karma farming or a bot.

[–]GlobalAsshat 1 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is basically the star trek economy... since they have replicators there is no need to have labor for the production of goods.

Given human nature I suspect this would just make our society worse off, that people would give into their dopamine cravings and just become stimulation addicts even more than they are now.

[–]csehszlovakze 1 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sign me up! All we need to do is build huge ass hydrophonics underground with complete artificial lighting powered by LFTR's. That means we could increase our plant production exponentially, literally ending world hunger in our lifetime. LFTR's are also ideal for seawater desalination, solving the water shortages worldwide. The only reason it wasn't picked up in the 50's was because "Team Plutonium" won cause they could create ideal isotopes for nukes, while "Team Thorium" couldn't.

[–]etherael 1 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It very likely has similar weaponisation potential to other fissionable material.

https://phys.org/news/2012-12-thorium-proliferation-nuclear-wonder-fuel.html

It is in the prototype phase rather than the rolled out for multiple decades and well understood and deployed phase.

https://www.quora.com/How-close-are-we-to-a-commercially-viable-thorium-reactor-i-e-one-that-could-pass-several-countries-regulatory-approval-processes-and-where-the-cost-of-construction-and-fuel-would-be-competitive-with-other-forms-of-electricity-generation

That said, I don't necessarily disagree that it's a promising path forward. Restricting nuclear energy because of fearmongering about proliferation concerns seems to me pointless because those who are pursuing weapons aren't going to be stopped by the absence of commercial reactors, and the importance of abundant cheap energy availability is absolutely essential, it's probably the single most important issue in the world today. And Thorium if it did get to the same level of maturity as other mature fissionable competition would really be a potentially remarkable boon in the battle for decreasing energy costs by several orders of magnitude.

The only thing that really has me pausing is wondering whether there aren't better ways on the fusion front and just skipping fission altogether, but I'm well aware that's a dog that's just been fifty years away for over fifty years too, so...

[–]csehszlovakze 1 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not saying it's impossible to create weapons out of the thorium breeding cycle, but because of the inevitable U232 contamination (which decays to lethal gamma emitters) it's not reasonably feasible.

As of fusion, keep that in mind that most nukes use the combination of fission and fusion in multiple cycles. Also, fusion also requires extreme pressure to work (that's why Jupiter can't be turned into a sun... it's too small and so is its gravity), and a containment breach will cause a great explosion, just like with pressured water cooled reactors. Meanwhile, thorium is abundant in the entire solar system, not just Earth, and if we are ever to colonize the whole Sol system, we'll need something like that, as LFTR's aren't pressurized.

[–]espresso__patronum 1 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It very likely has similar weaponisation potential to other fissionable material.

https://phys.org/news/2012-12-thorium-proliferation-nuclear-wonder-fuel.html

Pure Uranium 233 with no Uranium 232 contamination does have weaponization potential, but we can't make pure Uranium 233 yet. Even if we remove the protactinium immediately and leave it to decay in the decay tank, there is still some Uranium 232 contamination.

LFTRs are not designed to be appreciable breeders, they will produce only as much U233 as is required to continue their operation and no more, removing U233 from the equation means the reactor will eventually shut down.

[–]espresso__patronum 1 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It very likely has similar weaponisation potential to other fissionable material.

https://phys.org/news/2012-12-thorium-proliferation-nuclear-wonder-fuel.html

You can make a nuclear bomb using LFTRs much the same way you can eat 100kg of ghost peppers if you really wanted to.

LFTRs produce Uranium 233 (U233) a weapons grade material poisoned with Uranium 232 (U232) which is a proliferation prophylactic. LFTRs are not designed to be appreciable breeders, they will produce only as much U233 as is required to continue their operation and no more, removing U233 from the equation means the reactor will eventually shut down.


https://energyfromthorium.com/ieer-rebuttal/

Kirk Sorensen of Flibe Energy

http://energyfromthorium.com/

http://flibe-energy.com/

Kirk has a Masters in Nuclear, Aerospace, and Mechanical Engineering, he worked for NASA for 10 years as an Aerospace engineer, and worked as chief nuclear technologist for Teledyne Brown Engineering, before founding Flibe Energy.

"To claim that uranium-233 is just as effective as plutonium-239 for nuclear weapons is gross simplification bordering on outright deception. They have similar values for critical mass, but this leaves out a very important point. The nuclear reactions that consume uranium-233 also produce small amounts of uranium-232, a contaminant that will later be mentioned by the authors but ignored at this stage of the criticism. U-232 has a decay sequence that includes the hard gamma-ray-emitting radioisotopes bismuth-212 and thallium-208. Indeed, the half-life of U-232 is short enough that this decay chain begins to set up within days of the purification of the uranium, and within a few months that gamma-ray flux from the material is intense. These gamma rays destroy the electronics of a nuclear weapon, compromise the chemical explosives, and clearly signal to detection systems where the fissile material is located."


"However, taking into account the overall fission rate per capture, capture by other nuclei and so on, a well-designed LFTR reactor should be able to direct about 1.08 neutrons per fission to thorium transmutation. This delicate poise doesn't create excess, just enough to generate fuel indefinitely. If meaningful quantities of uranium-233 are misdirected for nonpeaceful purposes, the reactor will report the diversion by winding down because of insufficient fissile product produced in the blanket."

Thorium Energy Cheaper Than Coal - Robert Hargraves co-author Ralph Moir

Robert Hargraves has a PhD Physics and teaches energy policy at Dartmouth an Ivy League school, and co-author Ralph Moir (Lawrence Livermore National Lab) a PhD in Nuclear Engineering and author of numerous papers on molten salt reactors.


http://www.thoriumenergyalliance.com/downloads/American_Scientist_Hargraves.pdf

(please note this is hosted on thorium energy alliance, but it is a reprint from American Scientist)

"The uranium-233 produced from thorium-232 is necessarily accompanied by uranium-232, a proliferation prophylactic. Uranium-232 has a relatively short half-life of 73.6 years, burning itself out by producing decay products that include strong emitters of high-energy gamma radiation. The gamma emissions are easily detectable and highly destructive to ordnance components, circuitry and especially personnel. Uranium-232 is chemically identical to and essentially inseparable from uranium-233."

...

"Only a determined, well-funded effort on the scale of a national program could overcome the obstacles to illicit use of uranium-232/233 produced in a LFTR reactor. Such an effort would certainly find that it was less problematic to pursue the enrichment of natural uranium or the generation of plutonium."

Robert Hargraves has a PhD Physics and teaches energy policy at Dartmouth an Ivy League school, and co-author Ralph Moir (Lawrence Livermore National Lab) a PhD in Nuclear Engineering and author of numerous papers on molten salt reactors.


"the proportion of U-232 would be about 0.13% for a commercial power reactor. A year after separation, a weapons worker one meter from a subcritical 5 kg sphere of such U-233 would receive a radiation dose of 43 mSv/hr, compared to 0.003 mSv/hr from plutonium, even less from U-235. Death becomes probable after 72 hours exposure. After ten years this radiation triples.

A resulting weapons would be highly radioactive and therefore dangerous to military workers nearby. The penetrating 2.6 MeV gamma radiation is an easily detected marker revealing the presence of such U-233, possibly even from a satellite.

For personnel safety, any U-233 material operations must be accomplished by remote handling equipment within a radioactively shielded hot cell. This can be designed to make it very hard for any insiders or outsiders to remove material from the hot cell."

Thorium Energy Cheaper Than Coal - Robert Hargraves co-author Ralph Moir

Robert Hargraves has a PhD Physics and teaches energy policy at Dartmouth an Ivy League school, and co-author Ralph Moir (Lawrence Livermore National Lab) a PhD in Nuclear Engineering and author of numerous papers on molten salt reactors.


Ultimately any fission reactor's neutron flux can convert U238 to Pu239 or Th232 to U233, but the best designs make that incredibly difficult and expensive.

There is no way to prevent a determined government from building a weapons program from a modified power plant. This is why they are inspected by IAEA. IAEA monitoring (or refusal thereof) makes this public knowledge.

Any government that has the resources would opt to go the proven route of U235 or Pu239, rather than have to deal with potential U232 contamination.

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