Morality and Self-Deception

MillerLiteBulb77 · 2019-01-10T11:44:20+00:00

very good ideas here. Quality post.

Since each of us go our own way about this there is a libertarian or Dudeist bent and so each way is mostly truly unique.

Remember that scene in Men in Black, where Agent K is looking longingly at the aerial view of his wife before being snapped back to reality by J’s comment “better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all..”?

We are all tempted by that situation, being mostly hardwired into DNA, but the power of our mind MUST be exercised to control these urges.

The conflict this sets up within ourselves is very real and we are rarely ready to do this battle: self denial is the answer.

When one can deny oneself pleasure, not as punishment or kink or whatever the parlance of our times dictates, one becomes aware of true power.

for example: occasionally i will browse through the Shorthairedhotties sub. it’s like a quick sugar high that a) is very temporary and b) leaves me more repulsed than anything.

It’s similar to what you’re suggesting here in that you KNOW it’s not going to satisfy, but choose to do it anyway... and knowing and accepting the results of your action.

Remember, once you take the red pill there’s no way to be re-inserted in the matrix. everything from there on out will have the knowledge of a willing choice.

Do it, and don’t beat yourself up about it, and eventually you will move to another level where you won’t need to dodge the bullets.

peace!

avtarius · 2019-01-10T09:29:52+00:00

Self deception happens regardless of your choices in life, in fact making a choice and justifying it with personal logic is already self deception.

The fundamental reason for any member of a species to exist is for continuation of the species, and arguably to sustain the environment it lives in. Unfortunately humanity's ecosystem is currently flawed enough it goes against all of nature's design principles.

If the reason to exist is moot, finding any meaning in living as an individual is already self deception. I just enjoy my life as best I can hoping I get to see the world burn.

In fact all my logic above is already self deception, as it's a biased view.

wavetranscender · 2019-01-11T08:33:00+00:00

Believing in religion would be another example of positive self-deception.

You gain a free blockade against existential pain for just believing in a most red-pilled story.

Very interesting topic OP. MGTOW needs more of these posts.

AliBarakat · 2019-01-10T06:25:36+00:00

I always thought women weren't 100% angels from an early age, so I never was 100% bluepill. When I discovered MGTOW, all my suspicions about women came true.

I think if you keep lust or desire in, just buy a doll or jack off.

ForeignSpectator · 2019-01-10T09:45:44+00:00

I’m (a heteroromantic) asexual, so there’s only so much I can really understand about this, but it would seem to me that you don’t have to deceive yourself in order to experience sexual fulfillment with women and still be red-pilled.

I mean, couldn’t one basically just do a much less extreme version of “pump-and-dump”? i.e., Without being an outright asshole and literally treating women as nothing more than sex objects, you can still be honest with yourself about the fact that women only have a very limited value to you and that your body just needs to do what it does; I mean, you said it yourself, your body is a machine and it doesn’t care about the red pill or intellectual apprehension of anything for that matter.

As far as I can tell, there is no necessary connection—nor need there be one—between how your body feels about women and what your mind thinks/knows about them. So I don’t really see what the motivation is for conceptualizing one’s body’s feelings towards women in terms of a “blue-pill relapse” when the body is totally oblivious to these cerebral matters.

I hope that makes sense? Maybe I’m missing something here.

swapnilsathe1 · 2019-01-13T12:07:00+00:00

I dont know if it's ever justified. But it's definitely required for certain professions. For ex. A pilot trying to convince himself that there are hostiles in a hospital building because he has received orders to blow it up.

Without self deception he will lose his sanity. There is no such thing as right or wrong. Even people who are what you would call 100% wrong they will find a way to twist their thoughts into convincing their conscience that what they are doing is right. That's why the phrase "noone is a villain in their own story."

Title	Morality and Self-Deception
Author	wavetranscender
Upvotes	1
Comments	17
Date	January 10, 2019 5:34 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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