A little background; I (32f) live with my husband (33m), and our two children, Jake (6m) and Amy(3f). A young couple, probably in their early twenties, are our next door neighbours.
Two weeks back, my husband took Jake and Amy to a park nearby. Ideally I would’ve gone too, as it’s easier to manage the kids when we’re both there, but I had important office work that day and husband had a day off. Jake wanted to use the swing but husband forbade it since he was alone with the two of them and said that they’d just walk around. Sometime later, Amy got a pebble in her shoe or something and he sat her down on a bench to check it. He specifically asked Jake to stay beside him, but Jake, I guess really wanted to swing and seeing his dad’s attention elsewhere, decided to run for it. He was trying to go too fast, lost his balance and fell. All this happened in a matter of seconds.
That was it. They came back home, we talked to Jake about it and told him why he was wrong and we all moved the fuck on. Imagine our surprise when CPS (or the equivalent to CPS in our country; we don’t live in the US ) pulls up at our door and says that they’ve been given reports about how my husband was a negligent parent and how he put Jake’s life in danger. They mentioned the park incident where according to their version, my husband totally forgot about Jake and that led to Jake seriously hurting himself. (There were no serious injuries. He had minor scratches on his hands and knees).
Obviously they did not find anything wrong ; Didn’t tell us about the identity of the reporter though. Husband mentioned that our neighbours were present that day in the park and later when I asked, the woman confessed. She even went on to say that my husband was almost abusive and that she was just looking out for Jake.
Why do I believe my husband’s version and not hers? Well, firstly, he’s my husband and I trust him, and also because Jake confessed he disobeyed his dad.
I was super mad at this, and I generally don’t get that angry, but she was accusing my husband of being abusive and she called CPS on him. I yelled at her that she didn’t know shit about anything and she was just trivialising abuse and parental negligence. She cried and I told her to fuck off. Her boyfriend thinks that she was just mistaken and I should forgive mistakes.
AITA?
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Face Palm
[+]TehReedster891 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
AITA user does olympic-level mental gymnastics to assume the best intentions from a woman; more news at 11.
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I suppose it shouldn't come as a complete shock to me. That place is notorious for it's double-standards towards men versus women, with a userbase that'll try to find anything untoward in the former's actions and emotions, gaining upvotes in the process.
[–]TehReedster89 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. It's pretty heinous. There's so much blatant man-hating. How they'll take a story in which the man has clearly done no wrong, and they'll bend and twist and come up with some fictional version of events which would make the man the asshole.
Other times, the man isn't even part of the conflict. I've told this story a few times recently, so I'll make it short here. But basically a man's wife and long-time female friend had a brief conflict. According to OP (the wife), this friend was always taking and never giving, when it came to her friendship with the husband. One day, the husband has plans with OP, and the friend calls to ask him to come help with something. He declined, saying he has plans with his wife, and he persisted, prompting OP to grab the phone out of her husband's hands and yell at the friend to find her own husband.
I feel like a reasonable person could take one of two stances here. You could take the stance that the friend is the asshole for being a bad friend. At least according to OP's (probably biased) version of events, the friend sounds selfish, like she asks a bunch of her friend but never returns the favor. You could add on that persisting after being told that your friend has plans with their spouse is asshole behavior. Or you could take the stance that OP is the asshole for being insecure about her husband having a female friend, as she is far more frustrated than a wife would normally be about her husband having a close male friend. And you could also argue OP is the asshole for taking the phone from her husband instead of letting him handle it, as he clearly was, and for yelling at the friend.
Despite those two possible stances, most of the top comments voted the man as the asshole. Despite reading several mental gymnastics comments, I still never quite understood any of their reasoning. It was quite literally "man bad". It's a story describing a conflict between two women, so clearly the man who is barely in the story is the asshole.
[–]TehReedster89 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I meant for this to be the main point of my previous comment, but I kind of got side tracked talking about the man-hate portion of AITA. But another aspect to their bias is their defenses of women. It's not enough that they are vicious when it comes to men. They have to also be super duper over-the-top understanding when it comes to women.
I've seen so many posts where the woman's behavior is just outrageous. But you'll see so many comments bending over backward to come up with any rationale which could explain the woman's mental state to justify what she has done. It reminds me of the quote where people say that you judge other people by their actions and you judge yourself by your best intentions. AITA will extend that luxury to women. Even without knowing her intentions, people on that subreddit will brainstorm any and all possible good intentions the woman could have which could have led her down a road to these bad actions. And as such, they'll justify her behavior as understandable, the same way people justify their own bad behavior by considering their own best intentions.
As sinister as it is that they judge men so harshly for nothing, it's just as bad in my opinion that they are so willing to excuse toxic behavior because the woman might have been having a bad day or something. Mind you, I've seen some stories where the woman's behavior wouldn't be excusable even if she had had a terrible day. And in those posts, we are given no reason to think that she had a bad day. The commenters will just invent that possibility out of thin air. To them, it's more likely that the story excluded a bunch of details about the woman's bad day, than that a woman did something unjustifiably bad.
And that's really the crux of the issue. The women are wonderful effect. When a man does something bad, it's because he's a bad person. But when a woman does something bad, she must have had a good reason, so let's brainstorm what that reason might be. The possibility that she just did a bad thing and/or is a bad person is never even considered.
[–]TehReedster89 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
https://old.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/ihp6xv/aita_for_yelling_at_my_neighbour_because_she/g337clz/
Holy shit. These people will literally invent a story to paint the man in any post as the asshole. A woman can do terrible things, and they'll bend over backwards to think of the best possible intentions the woman might have had; huge benefit of the doubt. But then you have a man who has done nothing wrong, and people will write a novel depicting something which the man might have done, and then call him the asshole for that.
Fuck's sake.
[–]drock18 -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
NTA