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Testosterone causes aggression in men, right? Think again. Socialization plays a greater role.

PeterWrightMGTOW

January 22, 2020
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Title Testosterone causes aggression in men, right? Think again. Socialization plays a greater role.
Author

PeterWrightMGTOW

Upvotes 50
Comments 9
Date January 22, 2020 10:19 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/esj9n4/testosterone_causes_aggression_in_men_right_think/
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[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Testosterone doesn't cause aggression. It makes it more likely that one's stress response will be aggressive.

Raise the testosterone in a rat population that has everything that it needs in abundance, and you won't see any measured increase in aggression. Raise the testosterone in a rat population that's stressed, with too little food, too little stimulation and too little space, and you'll reliably get more aggression.

Even women see their testosterone levels raise when they are in stressful situations. Inmates have higher average blood testosterone levels than non-inmates, for example.

[–]GermanShepherdAMA 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you have sources for this?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You want a single source solution for the last sixty odd years of testosterone related studies, of which there are hundreds and hundreds?

Google Academic is your friend.

You can start from Dr. Justin Carre from Nippising university, who did a recentish study showing that with heightened testosterone, threat perception and limbic response in the brain goes up. Then look at Dr. Robert Josephs, who measured the intertwined effects of testosterone vs. cortisol in threat response and showed that when cortisol reaches a certain concentration, the aggression response associated with testosterone is mitigated.

Then just work your way backward via the citations. You'll see studies that compare testosterone in animals and their aggression responses (pretty clear) vs. human responses (not very clear), for example. Those kinds of studies only result when the answers aren't clear with humanity.

In other words, I'm not doing your homework for you. You've got a seed.

[+]frustr8tion1 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Robert Sapolsky has an excellent behavioural biology course on Youtube. I highly recommend it.

[–]flow2high1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Link? It is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGJD0P2r8YQ

[–]mgtowolf 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Implying aggression is inherently bad?

[–]kree8or 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i dont think so, no, but the perception of mens seemingly higher ‘natural’ propensity toward violence is part of what leads to their over representation in prison and longer sentences.

[–]AbysmalDescent 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Aggression in men is likely more common for three major social reasons:

1) apathy towards men, which leads to more abuse, isolation and desolation, which leads to less love, sex, acceptance and appreciation; all of which can lead to more frustration, resentment and anger. Apathy towards men also means more violence is perpetuated towards men(by men, by women or by men for women) and men have a greater need to learn how to defend themselves or demonstrate aggression as a deterrent to violence.

2) boys being socialized to be aggressive, by both men(men who compete for female attention by being aggressive with each other, or just being aggressive towards each other as a result of male socialization) and women(women who reward aggressive male behaviour with attention, love and sex; and who promote it as a desirable/core component of masculinity).

3) Capability, with men not only often being naturally stronger(on average) than their female peers but expected to be(which means a bigger motivation to be stronger and more physically capable) causing them to be in a position of physical advantage over others. This, in turn, creates a bigger opportunity and temptation to solve problems through aggression.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ROFL. That woman who asked the question is nuts.

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