Ah, the good ole point of the finger

Red_means_go · 2018-10-09T14:57:10+00:00

When I see shit like this I always hope they're just fake stories to stir up drama. But alas they're not, and I can only hope that shit like this never happens in the UK, or to such an extreme level that is. Though mind you I've already had someone accuse me, just because he wanted to distract from having to owe some money back. He was probably told to fuck off because he couldn't back anything up (he was making it up because he wanted to distract from having to pay me back some money) and the person he accused me of assaulting wasn't so much of a dick that she'd agree to lying on such an extreme level. But of course I'll never know.

2018-10-10T01:11:01+00:00

I feel like we are being played against each other. This man's story is tragic and is a perfect example of how middle- and working-class men get railroaded by police and prosecutors on a regular basis. Notice that the people here who made his life hell aren't women exclusively: it is a woman (accuser) and a man (prosecutor). And he excuses the man's behavior by saying he is afraid of women. No... he wants convictions rates. Period. It's man vs. man and man vs. woman.

I have been twice fasley accused or wrong doing: once in the public sphere when a co-worker decided to emeblish a story for the sake of gossip; another time by an ex-gf who lied to police about me. What I can assure you is that the difference between middle- and working-class men and guys like Trump and Kavanaugh, is that we don't have the money to throw at the legal issues. I was lucky: spend an afternoon at a police station, show up to court a few times over the course of several months, and be done with it. Not everybody is so lucky.

If this guy had lots of money, there is no way a false allegation would stick or that he would spend 30 days in jail. He'd have a lawyer laugh his/her way into the court room and get this tossed (though the accuser likely would not be held accountable).
But that doens't work for middle- and working-class men.

Trump uses this issue to political ends. He realizes that this is an issue for men who may be inclined to vote for him, so he brings up this argument about women having too much power. No. Prosecutor have too much power, and the judicial system is easy on wealthy people. But Trump knows full well that he and other affluent ment are immune to this. And why? Because they have money. Some Dupont heir literally rapes his daughter (a toddle) and he gets no prison; a Black teen is falsey accused of rape and prosecutors threaten to over prosecute the case on limited evidence and pressure him into a plea by putting a time limit on the plea deal: take or serve 50 years. He serves years and when the truth comes out, his accuser has to pay THE SCHOOL she attended: not him.

Trump turns this into a 'women have too much power' argument. That isn't the problem. Obviously. Trump was accused by over 20 women and still secured the presdency (all while he was happy to trot out Bill Clinton's accusers and empower their claims when it suited him). Kavanaugh? Accused by four women: still confirmed. This is not a problem for rich men, and Turmp feigning that it is for political support is disgutings.

If he cared about false allegations, he wouldn't have trotted out Clinton's accusers to suit his needs. And if he cared about men being railroaded by the system, he'd be advocating for a judicial system that was equitable for ALL Americans regardless of wealth/class. But he thinks poor people deserve whatever problems they have.

But Trump loves his privelege and seek to maintain it. Instead, he turns this into a women vs. men thing, and when this guy gets rail roaded by a system becaue he isn't rich, what is his response? Complain that he doens't want to hear about women's rights.

Women are being victimized; men are being victimized. When people come forwad, regardless of gender, we should hear them out and consider the evidence. We have daughters, and sisters, and wives, and mothers, and we would want them to be heard. This issue is when the courts get invovled: they shouldn't prey on the poor and let the wealthy slide. But Trump ignores the inequities that are the real problem and instead is trying to divide women and men because that is how he does things. Why? To get his nominee pushed through. If this was a question of 'due process' (as many on this sub seem to think), then a week long invetigation with limited investigatory power is an insult to that. Trump didn't want the truth; he wanted his pick confirmed. We should all be smart enough to see through that.

I realize that this may get down voted because we do have Trump supporters here (and I understand his appeal) who don't want to hear criticism of Trump and think he is advocating for men (he's not). But what I appreciate about this subreddit is that even if I express an unpopular opinion, the mods won't ban me, which I can certainly not say about the feminist subreddits on this site that expect users to accept all claims as true and not challenge anybody.

xerxesgm · 2018-10-10T07:52:28+00:00

Same (though for assault, not battery). I didn't lose my job and my ex didn't actually admit she lied. However, I was pursued by the prosecutor multiple times and had to get several witnesses to defend me to finally win the case. She would make one call to the police (even months after we had separated) and put me in court for months at a time with thousands in attorney fees. She, on the other hand, leveraged these allegations for a green card and alimony. All this and I was never once found guilty of anything.

Lion_amongst_gods · 2018-10-10T09:34:12+00:00

Alright, I'm not very familiar with the US legal system, but here's my question. What's stopping the POTUS from signing an executive order that 1. Makes sexual assault laws gender-neutral 2. Seriously penalises false accusations?

tprice1020 · 2018-10-09T19:37:41+00:00

Fuck /r/the_donald

Title	Ah, the good ole point of the finger
Author	ShadowBanThisCucks
Upvotes	183
Comments	21
Date	October 9, 2018 12:01 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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