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Alvin ISD male cosmetology student suspended for wearing makeup

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September 16, 2018
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https://abc13.com/education/alvin-isd-male-cosmetology-student-suspended-for-wearing-makeup-/4247380/
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Title Alvin ISD male cosmetology student suspended for wearing makeup
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Upvotes 3
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Date September 16, 2018 5:17 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
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Alvin ISD male cosmetology student suspended for wearing makeup

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September 16, 2018
/r/MensRights

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Student punished for being different in an arbitrary way, students move to have his back in a massive petition drive.

Honestly, this story wins the internet for today.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

this story wins the internet for today.

... seriously?

A bunch of hyper entitled brats throwing a tantrum "wins the internet for today"? your standards are broken.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You're cantankerous, tonight.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm impressed that you , or anyone, noticed a difference.

Terrible week + sick = Not a good mood.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Hope you feel better.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure I will be fine by tomorrow.

Yesterday I performed a root canal on an impoverished local woman. I had been performing treatments for extremely low costs because, well, she is poor.

I am not a root canal specialist so it was very difficult, I made no real money from it, and like every other time, she was not appreciative of it, I am charging her 1/10th of what the normal cost is and she STILL acted indignant over the cost.... fuck. She's not unemployed , she has a job but jobs don't pay much here. Still, 1/10th of the normal cost is barely the cost of material. Grrr.

Next time I'm going to tell her that I can no longer help and although I know she still has a couple of treatments that are urgent... she can go to someone else. Ungrateful twat.

It is infuriating to me that people take assistance for granted. She would have racked up a bill close to the equivalent of 2,000 USD by now... she is not attractive btw in case someone gets that in their head.

The point is, I am never helping anyone in need again. Fuck them and fuck being sick....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't really imagine anyone looks "sexy" during a root canal.

Empathy fatigue is a thing I am very familiar with. Sometimes there's a limit to what you can give before you're just out of stock. I try to make a very conscious practice in my own life of not reaching that limit with people, especially if I work with them or sleep with them.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Empathy fatigue is a thing I am very familiar with.

I hadn't thought of it like that, but that is a very solid summary of what is going on here. I could be refreshed if she had just showed the slightest bit of gratitude, but nope...

I try to make a very conscious practice in my own life of not reaching that limit with people

You are very wise to do so.

I have a lot of patience and endurance, but I have just about had it. I seriously need a vacation....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Therapists sometimes talk about "parallel process," which in this case refers to how a client who is hard to understand can create in you the thing that they're feeling. The classic example is a depressed person talking about how hopeless they are. You try everything. Nothing works with them. You start to feel hopeless, too.

It sounds like after the week you've had she's kind of doing that to you. She's in pain and not acting considerately. You're in pain and now you're feeling less generous.

I'm a little worried that will sound like advice or criticism; it isn't either. It's just an observation. People have a nearly magical way of teaching us what it's like to be them.

Hope you get to recharge your batteries.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Therapists sometimes talk about "parallel process," which in this case refers to how a client who is hard to understand can create in you the thing that they're feeling.

Pretty sure that's called transference, but yeah I get what you mean.

She's in pain and not acting considerately.

While that is absolutely a factor to be considered, I have seen her once a week for, quite awhile now. She has never once shown any kind of gratitude, I don't mean money, just a "thanks, this really helps" ONCE , would have gone a long way.

She has taken the exact opposite stance and it is infuriating. I don't help people to get thanked, but her demanding and ungrateful behavior is the opposite extreme. She will get nothing from me anymore.

I'm a little worried that will sound like advice or criticism

Not at all, I actually feel a lot more relaxed now.

Hope you get to recharge your batteries.

Thanks, I'm starting to feel better already.

I'll go get a milkshake or something and start recovering....

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Wait, let me see if I have this correctly;

Hey student, take the make up off , it is against school policy

.

fek u.

.

Alright... [suspends student]

This was not an injustice, nor was it unfair. It doesn't matter if he "studies cosmetology" , if the school has a ruleset for presentation and he was in violation of it, it is not unreasonable for him to be suspended. This should be self-evident but apparently in modernity, logic and reason are a scarcity.

Also, it's not like he was blindsided. He was deliberately being a cunt, knowingly violating the rules.

The petition backs her idea to change the student dress code that she says prevents males from wearing not just makeup, but earrings too.

/facepalm

The point of school is to prepare one for "the real world", if and when you are in a professional setting, you don't get to decide the rules. You either do the job as you are told or you are out.

In this case, if they wanted the uniform code to change, they could have lobbied for that. Just straight up violating the rules is not the right path, etc.

[–]shadowguyver -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Here my problem with this, he is a cosmetology student so why shouldn't he be allowed? There really should be no policy on make up IMO. It's like the security companies I worked for in the past that said only women can have long hair and earrings, why. What difference does it really make? To me if you see a guy with earrings or piercings that means pain is not going to deter him. Long hair will not make him any less efficient at his job. So how is make up on a male cosmetology student hurting anything?

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Here my problem with this, he is a cosmetology student so why shouldn't he be allowed?

Because it's against the rules.

There really should be no policy on make up IMO.

Doesn't matter what your opinion on the rules is, the rules are in place. These students can lobby to get the rules changed and that's totally reasonable.... but just straight up violating the rules because you feel like it? justifiable suspension.

You worked for a security company and don't know this? O_o

It's like the security companies I worked for in the past that said only women can have long hair and earrings, why. What difference does it really make?

Presentation matters.

When you are working for a company, as an agent of them, you represent that company and I am going to venture a guess that most companies want to give a good impression to their clients and the public at large.

To me if you see a guy with earrings or piercings that means pain is not going to deter him.

... actually quite the reverse, earrings and piercings are a huge "weak point" that is easily exploitable in any kind of fight.

Long hair will not make him any less efficient at his job.

Depends on the job, but again your argument is completely without merit. Firstly, choosing to violate the known rules comes with consequences. Second, presentation matters.

how is make up on a male cosmetology student hurting anything?

Irrelevant.

It could be any reason or no reason, the point is, the rules are in place and the student knew what they were. He chose to violate the rules and got punished for it. This is exactly what should happen.

Your arguments have been completely without merit.... not that it matters, but since I know that many people here are socialists/subjectivists, I do not agree with the outcome of this. There should be some sort of exception to people studying this.... but it is not my call to make.

Again, lobbying to get the rules changed = good.

Violating the rules because "Im speshul" = justifiable suspension.

[–]shadowguyver 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Maybe this is the start they needed then, now they get more attention for the rules to change.

I get the piercings being a weak spot, then the companies should make women not wear any including earrings, but they dont. Same with hair. When I was a supervisor for one company a male guard under me had dreads. When I brought this up to him he said it's his religious right to have them and I was being discriminatory. The office agreed with him. Presentation is not always the reason as there are ways that you can still have long hair an be presentable like hiding it under a hat.

Its complete bullshit to have one set of rules for one person and different for another.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Maybe this is the start they needed

No.

"The start they needed" is a subjective point and has no merit. The correct path , if they truly wanted to change the rules, was lobbying against them in a rational way.

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> then the companies should make women not wear any including earrings

​

Tabula rasa argument, not surprised.

So let's cut to the chase; **Do you believe men and women are the same?** if yes, your argument is refuted, if no , you are mentally ill.

> Its complete bullshit to have one set of rules for one person and different for another.

No, it isn't. If the two people are differentiated by something like sex, then it is entirely reasonable.

Humans are a sexually dimorphic species and I understand that there are a lot of socialists/lysenkoists that frequent this subreddit, but reality does not bend to your delusions. Men and women are not the same, period.

[–]shadowguyver 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I believe same standards should be held.

Its true physical attributes are different in many aspects of female and male bodies, however both male and female have in regards to this discussion many same attributes as well. Hair and ofcourse skin is the same on both. Sexually speaking long hair on men does not change that neither does having piercings. Those do not automatically set the parameters of what is male or female. To that affect it should not matter. This is my opinion and my right to believe it, you have yours which is ofcourse allowed. Society changes over time. It used to be that men had long hair and that was the standard, heels were originally male, pink was originally for infant boys and so on. Maybe change is happening again and your just not ready to accept it.

[–]TheMythof_Feminism 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hair and ofcourse skin is the same on both.

False.

Extremely so in "skin" , specifically the tegumentary apparatus has notable differences in metabolic rate, form and function. Tegumentary tissue in men is more coarse, efficient when metabolizing and more resistance to homeostasis breach.

It is nearly unbelievable that you would make such a statement.

The distinction in hair is less significant so that one I am fine with conceding.

Those do not automatically set the parameters of what is male or female.

Hair is different but I don't care to argue such minuscule values, alright.

Tegumentary tissue though? ahahahahahahaha, come on man...

Society changes over time.

"Society" is an abstract notion with zero argumentative value. We're talking about reality, not mythology.

Maybe change is happening again and your just not ready to accept it.

Severe projection.

You appear to be deluding yourself into believing mythology and rejecting reality. You legitimately strike me as having some form of mental illness....

[–]shadowguyver 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You come off as very condescending and full of yourself. You really dont seem to care or try to see anything form another's point of view. You are acting just like the feminist who only believe their viewpoint is the law.

Believe what you will. I am done with this discussion.

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