Hi, there will be a feminism debate in my class and I needed help with a few points that I forgot, thanks!

EricAllonde · 2018-04-25T08:28:03+00:00

If they ask me about men raping women, what do I answer?

You answer that men and women rape each other at roughly the same rate:

All rape is horrific and our society should do all it can to stop it. However, at the moment we don't treat rape victims with equal compassion.

Male victims of female rapists are disbelieved, mocked, told they must have enjoyed it because "men always want sex" and have to deal with police who routinely refuse to take their complaint seriously, investigate or arrest the female perpetrator. Men being raped by women is considered a joke and people will openly laugh about it, completely unconcerned about social disapproval for doing so.

None of these things are true today for female victims; anyone behaving that way towards a female victim would be ostracised and/or fired very quickly.

The treatment of men is just one example of male disposability: our society cares little about male suffering and in fact often considers it funny or, in the case of man-hating feminists, completely justified by their ideology.

If I'm asked about male domestic violence, what do I answer?

Much the same as with rape: it's terrible, we need to do better at eliminating it, but just as many men are suffering as women, even though our society only acknowledges and cares about female victims.

In fact, feminists have made things much worse for men by pushing the Duluth model, since adopted by police forces around the world.

Under the Duluth model, police are trained to assume that all DV is perpetrated by men against women and is caused by patriarchal oppression. The results of this can be seen in the fact that male victims of DV who call the police for help are more likely to be arrested themselves (32%) than see the female perpetrator arrested (25%).

http://www.oneinthree.com.au/news/2016/1/16/how-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse-often-end-up-getting-arre.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12061547/How-male-victims-of-domestic-abuse-often-end-up-getting-arrested-themselves.html

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/the-number-of-male-domestic-1284479771263030.html

https://melmagazine.com/what-domestic-violence-against-men-looks-like-74ce9500ab8d

This is a good resource: it's a website dedicated to raising awareness of the fact that 1 out of every 3 intimate partner homicides is a male victim.

http://www.oneinthree.com.au

Check out this page in particular:

http://www.oneinthree.com.au/misinformation/

2018Now2018New · 2018-04-25T11:19:56+00:00

And one other thing, if they start saying that men should be presumed guilty because they're statistically more likely to commit a crime, ask if blacks should also be presumed guilty based on statistics and watch the blood drain from their face as they try to come up with a response without losing their job over racism. If they say anything racist accuse them of toxic femininity and remind them that early feminists were racist against blacks.

Ask them, should we be more likely to send black women to prison than white women if black women are more likely to break the law? If it's white women should we send white women to prison longer than blacks?

Also statistics vs the vary from place to place, in certain cities in the UK a male is more likely to be murdered by their so than a female, in other areas a female is more likely. Judge by the individual not by the statistic, because people are unpredictable.

2018-04-25T06:18:31+00:00

Mention that men under report rape by their spouses and don’t seek help when they are victims , so we don’t know if men get raped as often as women. It doesn’t get reported to the same level.

2018Now2018New · 2018-04-25T11:14:12+00:00

Say both exist, cos they do, but ask them in return about infanticide laws in Australia and Canada, ask them about males who's penis is cut off by their partner, ask them about the fact that female pedos exist, ask them about the fact that women are more likely to kill children and commit domestic violence than men are when based on statistics.

If they start going on about male "patriarchy", remind them that there has always been female dictators / leaders going back centuries and they were just as brutal and violent as men were. Basically make a point that every crime that's been committed by a man, ever, has also been comnited by a woman. If they go on about women not being able to vote before men, remind them that's a false narrative, white women could vote before black men could.

iainmf · 2018-04-25T06:08:34+00:00

It's always good to agree with them on as much as you can. That shouldn't undermine your own points if you have good points. What it does is disarm them, because they can't use the points you agree with against you anymore.

You can say that we need to address every issue they bring up, but that you don't think feminism (as an ideology and political movement) is the best way to do that.

MaestroLogical · 2018-04-25T08:30:16+00:00

There will be no 'debate'.

There will be, lots of mindless rhetoric you either blindly accept or get labelled as one of 'those' guys.

Feminist do not allow debate in any form other than appearance. Expect a smoke show and prepare accordingly.

Negatratoron · 2018-04-25T05:46:43+00:00

It may be true that men rape and commit domestic violence more often than women do, as evidenced by multiple studies and polls. If you have a point to make - a pet theory - or a vendetta, you will lose in time. Just remain temperate and moderate and calm, fight your own battles, and stay out of people's way who are fighting battles themselves. There is room for everyone here.

0x123d · 2018-04-25T06:28:23+00:00

I'd advise you not to argue against feminism publicly. Your reputation might be irreparably damaged, and you might put yourself at risk of physical harm (see JBP's barbarians at the gates). If you must debate, don't let them derail you or twist your words; for example, if you point out the prevalence of female-perpetrated domestic violence, "men do it too" is not a valid rebuttal.

Title	Hi, there will be a feminism debate in my class and I needed help with a few points that I forgot, thanks!
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Date	April 25, 2018 5:40 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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