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Feminist Accuses English Language Of Being Sexist, Gets Brilliantly Schooled By Linguist

FireHole

February 15, 2018
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Title Feminist Accuses English Language Of Being Sexist, Gets Brilliantly Schooled By Linguist
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FireHole

Upvotes 286
Comments 33
Date February 15, 2018 3:52 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/7xr8cq/feminist_accuses_english_language_of_being_sexist/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i came

[–]mildrizzle 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

r/murderedbywords

[–]MFToes2 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stay in your lane

[–]EduBA 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

PER SON

Not any linguist here but I know since 1966, when Bergman's film "Persona" was premiered in Buenos Aires, that it comes from "Mask".

[–]1Console 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Instead of learning a thing or two, I won’t be surprised if her reply was “thanks for Mansplaining language to me”

[–]ragingfartalot 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd respond with:

"Why are you using the word 'MANsplain'? It has the word MAN in it, which exemplifies the oppressor class. You should use people-splain instead. It's more inclusive." #SJW-played-yourself

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/07/justin-trudeau-apologises-joke-personkind-viral

[–]KingEscherich 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Facts are amazing. Amirite?

[–]DaytonaDemon 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ha ha. Well done. She deserves some aloe with that burn.

[–]solaris32 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I bet she didn't learn a damn thing. At best she won't repost these feelings on the internet but she will probably still tell her feminist friends.

[–]Makonar 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But there's so much more sexist examples:
HIS STORY
DICK TIONARY
PENIS SULA and the worst offender of all:
COCK PIT

[–]Saqhmet 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Definitely qualifies as not all heroes wear capes

[–]Psychotic_Precision 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good luck trying to sue whoever or what ever.

[–]oh_no_aliens 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

bitch, stay in your lane

The best part this clickbait article omits.

[–]svartwood 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Anyone else wondering what a "Feminist Chewbacca" looks like?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Had a friend named Becca. Horrid SJW bitch. Got offended by everything. Her boyfriend calls her Chewbecca. She is a large girl. Maybe 5’3”, 5’5”, but also maybe 180+ pounds. The reason he calls her Chewbecca is because she does not shave her legs in the winter. So there. That. That’s a Feminist Chewbacca.

[–]LittleJohnnyNations 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

A linguist that starts a sentence with OMG....

[–]pcoon43456 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What does that have to do with anything? If a flat earther told Buzz Aldrin the earth was not spherical, I’d hopefully get to hear him say “Jesus Fucking Christ!”

[–]WillisisTalking 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the laugh u/pcoon43456 . That was funny

[–]jhallen2260 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Is Buzz an Athiest?

[–]pcoon43456 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ll ask him next time our paths cross. Sadly, they likely never will. It will remain one of life’s mysteries...

[–]jhallen2260 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nevermind, I thought you were implying that lol

[–]znhunter 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That shows someone very forward thinking in his field. Embracing new things, and ways of doing things?

[–]gruffogre 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have an aunt who is exactly like the woman who gets schooled in the link. Her favourite.... History. His Story.

[+]The_Real_DerekFoster -14 points-13 points-12 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The tone of the response is as infuriating as the reason for the response. Ex:

OMG no ur jus hella dumb let me tel you why...

[+]Spoopsnloops -10 points-9 points-8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not sure if this has been brought up, but the "wo," "fe," "hu," and "per," are suffixes, meaning that they take precedent, and come before, the actual male related words.

So yeah, those words are sexist, but sexist in that they favor women before the men, like is typical in society.

[–]AnotherStupidName 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Prefixes. Suffixes come after the word.

[+]CMUpewpewpew -20 points-19 points-18 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Actually the person who ‘schooled’ the feminist then got schooled himself by a seemingly more educated person afterwards if you followed the original post. (This was on /r/bestof yesterday I believe.

[–]McFly001 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Link?

[–]CMUpewpewpew 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It was posted in /r/murderedbywords

link to original post

And here’s the rebuttal copy and pasted:


::cracks knuckles::

Okay, rhysiare, you wanna have a battle of linguistics? I’m ready. You mention having an undergraduate linguistics class under your belt and your blog identifies you as a grad student but you don’t say what in. I am also a grad student, with a BS and MA in linguistics and working towards a PhD in it. So now that our credentials are on the table…

  1. While you’re right about almost all these word origins, the Proto-Indo-European roots of a word have little or nothing to do with the way a word is analyzed and interpreted synchronically (in the present day) by speakers. When I teach Ling 100 to undergrads, I see plenty of students who are native speakers spontaneously segment “per+son,” “wo+man,” “hu+man,” and “fe+male” exactly as the original image does. If you’re not familiar with the idea of morphological reanalysis, of course, I’m happy to explain it in more depth. If you are, then you should realize that appealing to the history of a word in a discussion about its present usage is fallacious at best, derailing at worst.

  2. But since we are talking about language history–where are you getting the form wermann from? It doesn’t occur in Bosworth-Toller, A Concise Anglo-Saxon Dictionary, or the University of Toronto’s online corpus. Wer meaning specifically “man” is well-attested in OE, it’s cognate to the Latin root vir (as in “virile”) but all the way back to Old English, mann is attested as having the double meaning of “human being” and “male” human being. Words for “woman” on the other hand, include fǽmne (clearly a Latin loanword, always used with the sense of “damsel, unmarried woman”) and wif (-mann), which, as with modern German Frau, meant both “wife” and “woman”. You’ve also, incidentally, got the OE roots of “he” and “she” wrong–they both descend from the Proto-Germanic demonstrative *hiz/hijo/hit, whereas seo in OED was a definite article.

  3. And even if I were to credit that, somehow, wermann was a valid form–language isn’t a closed system evolving with no relation to the society that uses it. Sociolinguistics 101: language both reflects and constructs the social systems of those who use it. So ask yourself: why is it that mann came to mean both “humans in general” and “male human specifically” while wifmann remained a specifically marked “female human”? Why did the word wif come to mean strictly wife but (wer)mann didn’t comes to mean specifically husband? (Wer could be used as “man/husband” but was last attested in 1300s, according to the OED. “Husband” comes from hus-bonda, “the master of the house,” which has an attested feminine form hus-bonde “the mistress of the house”–where did that word go, and why?) Why are the default words for woman, like wif and fǽmne, defined in terms of a woman’s relationship or lack thereof to a man, but words for men and boys don’t require us to indicate their marital status?

  4. Now, back to the synchronic point the art piece was trying to make, and which has been made by our fellow linguists since at least 1973, when Robin Tolmach Lakoff published Language and a Woman’s Place: when the words we actually use in our daily life present a gendered form as the default, it naturally colors our thinking about gender. The words in the graphic may not be the best examples, granted, but they serve a thematic point, which is that our culture too often treats “male” as as a default setting for humans and any other gender as an exception.

  5. As for the comment added by @mitosisyourtosis, men have been saying the same or worse about women for a long-ass time. I don’t necessarily agree with the point but I’m gonna defend the fuck out of her right to say it.

I don’t know where you took your undergrad ling class or from whom, but in my classroom we don’t make fun of people for being non-experts in the field. We make fun of prescriptivists who gatekeep language within narrow, arbitrarily defined borders, because those borders almost always exist to reinforce the power of people who already have too much of it.

[–]McFly001 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

While this is very interesting, it makes the referenced OP look even more inept at their usage of vocabulary. I'm obviously no expert but it still seems like their motive is to disassemble common words and reassemble them to fit their narrative. Who cares about how the words are assembled, the message is clear. She thought words came from certain origins and both comments proved her wrong, even though they were conflicting arguments.

Edit: And thank you for the link! I'll upvote, because while views always differ, civil communication helps lead to progress.

[–]srtor 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is a lie.

Answers given can be corroborated here as true.

[–]KingEscherich -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, whoever "schooled" the schooler must have been schooled by school. The deinitions check out...

[–]oh_no_aliens 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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