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Writing an Essay About the Men's Rights Movement - Please Tell Me About Your Experience!

Compromissionary

November 12, 2017
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Title Writing an Essay About the Men's Rights Movement - Please Tell Me About Your Experience!
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Compromissionary

Upvotes 12
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Date November 12, 2017 10:46 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]ThePigmanAgain 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

1-- What is the Men’s Rights Movement?

An attempt to raise men and boys up to the same level of happiness currently enjoyed by women and girls.

2 -- How was the group formed, and why was it formed?

Not an organized group.

3 -- Who are the leaders of the Men’s Rights Movement and what makes them leaders, in your view?

I acknowledge no leaders. In any field, following leaders is a bad idea. I think it was the Buddha who said that. Or maybe Homer Simpson.

4 -- What issues are important to you or to the group?

Education gap. Homelessness gap. Incarceration gap. Death gap. All these gaps are in favor of women.

5 -- How best can you accomplish the goals of the Men’s Rights Movement?

For now, raising awareness is the only thing to do. The establishment is firmly against us, so there's not much point in lobbying the government.

6 -- Why did you join the Men’s Rights Movement?

I don't like injustice. If men were doing fine, i would be campaigning for the aboriginals -- i am Australian, and those people really got screwed.

7 -- How do you think others view you and your group, and why do they see you this way?

They see us as scum, because they believe the plutocratic propaganda.

8 -- How do you view feminism as it relates to the Men’s Rights Movement?

One of our biggest enemies. They oppose just about everything we want, no matter how reasonable our demands are.

9 -- Why do you think the Men’s Rights Movement is necessary?

Education gap. Homelessness gap. Incarceration gap. Death gap. All these gaps are in favor of women.

10 -- What do you think needs to change in the Men’s Rights Movement?

All sorts of things need to change, but the only one we have any power over is the dominance of right wingers. We need more left wingers to balance things out. Note that i said "left wingers," not "politically correct pseudo-leftist SJW wankers."

11 -- Anything else you think I should know?

I think people who like pistachios are weird.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for your input! I guess I’m weird because pistachios are delicious, but we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point.

[–]Tedesche 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

What are you writing this essay for?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I’m writing an ethnographic essay for an English comp class in which we study a subculture. I’m trying to gather as many responses as possible so that I can show the individual, human side of the men’s rights movement along with the general view of the group.

[–]hgtufhtfu -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I find it to be fairly silly since it espouses views not generally desired by all men- banning all circumcision would be hurtful to Jews and Muslims, there is a general desire to end the franchise of marriage because of perceived negatives in divorce even though most men want to be married, the policy of financial abortion which would place further burdens on the tax payer, basically the end of all rape investigations or really even it being a crime since I have been told that if it is not on video then it should not be taken seriously

[–]iainmf 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you really understand the MRM very well.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for your input, but I’m trying to get I formation about the movement from people who consider themselves to be a part of it.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL! Whatever you are smoking, you are smoking too much of it.

[–]HotDealsInTexas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I find it to be fairly silly since it espouses views not generally desired by all men- banning all circumcision would be hurtful to Jews and Muslims

Correction: It would benefit Jews and Muslims especially, as they are most often subject to genital mutilation. It may "hurt" the feelings of certain men who believe that their sons' bodies are their property, or that they can forcibly brand their child with the mark of their religion, but the rest of us like human rights.

there is a general desire to end the franchise of marriage because of perceived negatives in divorce even though most men want to be married,

Strawman. I've never fucking heard anyone in this movement call for abolishing marriage. I have heard calls for men to start avoiding marriage en masse because (a) the risks are far greater than the rewards, and (b) because it might get people in power to start considering making marriage laws fair towards men.

the policy of financial abortion which would place further burdens on the tax payer,

You can argue against absolutely fucking anything with "BUT MUH TAXPAYER BURDEN." Example: "Feminism is fairly silly since it espouses views not generally desired by all women - e.g. they want rape to be a crime, which places further burdens on the taxpayer by increasing the prison population and making more work for police, prosecutors, and judges."

Men should have the same reproductive rights as women. Fullstop. If you don't support financial abortion, then start petitioning Congress to force any women who gets an actual abortion to either adopt a child or pay child support for some random kid in the foster care system. Oh wait, that would be morally abhorrent.

basically the end of all rape investigations or really even it being a crime since I have been told that if it is not on video then it should not be taken seriously

This, class, is what we like to call "an outright lie." I have not seen a single goddamn person argue for this.

[–]hgtufhtfu -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You clearly don’t follow your own sub

On a different thread the OP stated that the Holocaust was justified because of circumcision

A different thread said that rape without video tape evidence is defamation

As YOU just said- you support financial abortion since you think it will bring equality to genders- no one supports financial abortion- regular abortion is still being litigated and in many states has been banned, but you are advocating for termination of financial support to living children- a view literally supported by no one- in fact most men seek MORE access to their children, more parental rights, and more authority over their child when they are the non-custodial parent.

[–]HotDealsInTexas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

On a different thread the OP stated that the Holocaust was justified because of circumcision

A different thread said that rape without video tape evidence is defamation

Let's see the links.

The second one sounds like something someone might have plausibly said. It's a terrible idea, and is blatantly fucking illegal in the US because the plaintiff in a defamation case must prove that a statement is (a) actually false, and (b) made maliciously or negligently, both of which require actual evidence beyond evidence of absence by an accuser - in short, a viable defamation case will NEVER HAPPEN in a he said / she said situation. The most likely target would be a third party that repeated an unsubstantiated accusation (e.g. Rolling Stone publishing the accusations in the UVA scandal), but even then the plaintiff would still have to have evidence of the accusation being false. In other countries maybe the situation is different.

But the first statement? Okay, yeah, I can buy that someone said it, because believe it or not, any idiot can comment here. But unless you can prove otherwise I'm gonna say that if someone said it they got downvoted to hell, because that turns out to be the truth with every other one of these "see what a bunch of racist/sexists MRAs are?" posts.

As YOU just said- you support financial abortion since you think it will bring equality to genders- no one supports financial abortion-

Except that it's fairly widely supported among people who advocate for eliminating systematic legal discrimination against men (i.e. this sub).

regular abortion is still being litigated and in many states has been banned,

Roe vs. Wade was in fucking 1973. Notwithstanding states attempting to ban it via loopholes or attempting to outright pass illegal laws, it has been legal in the US for half a lifetime. And while some states have attempted to ban abortion, every single state has laws on the books allowing a woman who DOES give birth to an unwanted child to drop it off at certain locations such as fire stations with no legal or financial consequences - so the common "but abortion is only about bodily autonomy" argument is BS because we have clearly decided that women have the right to opt out of parenthood, completely separate from abortion.

but you are advocating for termination of financial support to living children- a view literally supported by no one-

Except men who are, y'know, forced to support children they didn't consent to having on penalty of imprisonment.

in fact most men seek MORE access to their children, more parental rights, and more authority over their child when they are the non-custodial parent.

The purpose of the MRM is not to protect the legal rights of "most men," it's to protect the legal rights of ALL MEN. Yes, most men seek more access to children they consented to have (and the MRM is fighting for them too). But your argument is basically the equivalent of "Most men want to have sex with women, so why the hell do you want to make it illegal to rape men?"

Well, actually it's not so much equivalent as literally the same thing, since the most egregious part of the state of male reproductive rights is that by legal precedent in the US, a woman can literally rape a man, get pregnant, and sue him for child support. It's not just a matter of "consent to sex is consent to parenthood" (again, this is bullshit since we have laws specifically preventing this from applying to women), but our legal system has literally determined that even if a man is in fact not a man but a boy, and is legally not capable of consenting to sex, this has no bearing on child support obligations.

[–]hgtufhtfu 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, the imaginary epidemic of forced vaginal rape- this crime that has never ever been prosecuted in American legal history

Also sanctuary laws for child drop offs have been abolished in virtually all states, the ones still having them on the books universally prosecute the mothers who use them- so nice false equivalence to financial abortion

As to men not consenting to the child, I will go with a man who engages in vaginal sex assumes the reasonable risk that a child could potentially occur from that act- if having a child is something so dire for them then they should not have vaginal sex or get a vasectomy

[–]HotDealsInTexas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, the imaginary epidemic of forced vaginal rape- this crime that has never ever been prosecuted in American legal history

So, your argument is that lack of prosecution... in a legal system that refuses to classify forced envelopment as rape in the first place... proves that it doesn't exist. Okay, now I know you're a troll.

[–]hgtufhtfu -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t fucking exist- women have sodomized men and have forced them to perform oral sex- those have been successful prosecuted in multiple instances and in several countries, so don’t pretend that the system does not recognize women have the capacity to assault men- forced vaginal rape simply does not happen

A women strips an unwilling man and shoves his limp flacid penis inside of her- I will believe it when you have it on video like so many people here say about women’s allegations

Also thanks for ignoring the sanctuary drop off point I made

[–]iainmf 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Please answer these questions honestly and from your own perspective.

1. What is the Men’s Rights Movement?

A movement to get men equal rights under the law and equal application of the law.

2. How was the group formed, and why was it formed?

It's not a group. It's lots of individuals doing what they can.

3. Who are the leaders of the Men’s Rights Movement and what makes them leaders, in your view?

There are no leaders, only prominent people.

4. What issues are important to you or to the group?

Equality of law. Systems to monitor human rights violations for men

5. How best can you accomplish the goals of the Men’s Rights Movement?

I just plug away at my goals. Currently, it is contacting MPs about genital mutilation

6. Why did you join the Men’s Rights Movement?

I just started doing more advocacy for men. There was nothing official to join.

7. How do you think others view you and your group, and why do they see you this way?

It's not my group. MRAs do get a bad wrap due to misinformation about them in the media.

8. How do you view feminism as it relates to the Men’s Rights Movement?

Feminism hinders progress on men's and women's issues.

9. Why do you think the Men’s Rights Movement is necessary?

Men have fewer rights than women.

10. What do you think needs to change in the Men’s Rights Movement?

Needs more people to be involved.

11. Anything else you think I should know?

[–]ThePigmanAgain 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What, no opinion on pistachios?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks so much for your answers!

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