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USA Today: "As female jail population increases, call for reform"

Mens-Advocate

October 6, 2016
84 upvotes
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Title USA Today: "As female jail population increases, call for reform"
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Mens-Advocate

Upvotes 84
Comments 15
Date October 6, 2016 7:34 AM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/564ajb/usa_today_as_female_jail_population_increases/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So, the system "works" for men? They never are held in jail for minor infractions? They never have families or debt or mental illness? Why is the suffering of women more important than the suffering of men in the same situation?

[–]Lord_of_Skulls 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is precisely my gripe. There's literally no argument anyone has made for female-specific treatment in the CJS that isn't exhibited by men in the CJS, already. Over 60% of women have some form of depression or other mental disorder in prison? Well, about 45% of men do, too, and both incidence rates are miles higher than the general population on the street. Most women are in for non-violent crimes? Sure, but so are most men. Many women have children? Many men do, too. Addictions to drugs and alcohol? Prior abuse? FASD? Please tell me they aren't seriously saying there's none of those issues in the male prison population ...

You can't reach the stage we have reached, where there's a basic argument that female prisoners are fundamentally different from male prisoners, and require different treatment, without ignoring boundless data that suggests otherwise. That people who ostensibly earn their living studying the criminal population miss these blatant connections says only one thing: they WANT to miss them. These policies are no mistake, nor is the singular gender focus that has to be there to arrive at those conclusions.

They are bigots.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

World Ending Tomorrow: Women disproportionally affected.

[–]Lord_of_Skulls 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The sad thing is, they really aren't. A study in BC about how police handled domestic violence calls showed that twice as many calls concerning women being violent in the home were coded as "handled without charges" than the calls where men were being violent in the home. From arrest to charges to alternative sentencing and ADR, to sentence length and parole on the back end, there's literally no step of the CJS where there isn't a measurable benefit to being female.

It's not disproportionately affected, it's "finally started to see the positive bias in their favour erode slightly".

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

twice as many calls concerning women being violent in the home were coded as "handled without charges"

It is much worse than that. Out of the half as many cases where there are charges, most of them are against the man who called for help.

The CJS has defacto criminalized men reporting violence if their attacker is female.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3175099/

http://www.sascv.org/ijcjs/pdfs/carolettaijcjs2010vol5iss1.pdf

http://www.clarku.edu/faculty/dhines/Douglas%20%20Hines%202011%20helpseeking%20experiences%20of%20male%20victims.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

[–]Manakel93 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you have a link to that?!??! I'd love to put in in my master's thesis.

[–]Lord_of_Skulls 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The BC claim? I saw it a few months back, but I'll see if I can find it again for you. This article details the case that drew the stats to light, plus the provincial policy that drove them, but there's no real data, so I'll try and track down the source.

As for the rest, it's all memory from my Criminology courses and cobbled together from multiple sources from around North America, so there's some assumptions involved, like similar behavior across multiple jurisdictions, but I don't think they are questionable assumptions.

Edit: a great study is the Starr Study because it covers multiple stages of the federal CJS instead of single stages like most studies work with. As a result, it shows exactly how profound the gender bias can be when multiple stages of the system all have some inherent pro-female bias. By the end, the treatment isn't even close. It's a US study, though, not Canadian.

[–]BumFacePhD 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL everything's worse when it happens to women.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately , it would seem so. I was recently reading something online about (paraphrasing) "Women more likely to be murdered at work than men). I read the article in utter disbelief.

Women are far more susceptible to being murdered at work than men. While women have a lower workplace fatality rate — there were 302 fatal workplace injuries involving female workers in 2013–22 percent of them involved a homicide, making it the leading cause of death. For men, just 8 percent related to a homicide

So reading that it would seem so, but of course what that sentence doesn't tell you is that while 22% of women who died, were murdered and only 8% of men. The actual numbers are approx 90 women and 380 men.

[–]icecow 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

World Ending Tomorrow: Women disproportionally affected.

Unfortunately nothing can be done about this injustice, but we can can greatly improve women's quality of life while the world is still here as a modest patch.

[–]Saintmyname 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate this bullshit so much. I've been to prison. It doesn't work for anyone. It sucks. It is designed to suck. Fucking A.

[–]abc989 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow, that opening paragraph starts off by justifying her actions. Why is a woman stealing fine but not a man? Do men not experience poverty? Do men not have families?

[–]IronJohnMRA 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they are suffering from the delusion that all female action comes from either a noble purpose and/or is simply not her responsibility. For example, you mention stealing. Authors like these would assume that if she was stealing, she had a good reason to do so, like feeding her children, or that some horrible man forced her to do it. So it would only be natural for them to conclude that any punishment was unwarranted.

[–]Vandechoz 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as the reforms focus on fixing prison problems, and not just women's problems in prison, I'm all for it. Sometimes it takes hypocrisy staring people in the face for them to back reasonable reforms.

[–]chambertlo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women: "We want equal treatment to men!"

Men: "Done. You are now forced to do the same level of work for less pay, and will be tried for crimes without leniency due to your gender. Also, your maternal rights are no longer the catalysts to the end result of child custody hearings."

Women: "The system is now rigged against women! We must strive to reform this unfair treatment of the fairer gender".

Moral of the story; Feminists do not want equal treatment. They want superior treatment. SUPERIOR TREATMENT FOR LESS EFFORT.

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