Masculinity: Real Chivalry is Dead

jeff_the_nurse · 2016-06-18T21:29:57+00:00

It's actually alive, but feminists always mistake it for perversion, flirting, or unwelcome advances.

BlindGardener · 2016-06-19T04:19:57+00:00

My understanding of Chivalry is that it defines peasants as chattel, property of their lords.

I'm kinda glad it's dead. =.=

TheDude41 · 2016-06-18T21:22:35+00:00

Neochivalry should also be dead.

So, this vlogger has a more "traditional" sort of relationship with his girlfriend. I suppose this means he views himself as a chivalrous protector of some sort.

As an anti-chivalrist, my response is: whoopdee do. I don't give a crap what other people do in their relationships. If a guy wants to lick a woman up the crack of her butt for seven days straight, then get himself shot in the gut in her "honor" on the eighth, to me, that's just a cautionary tale.

But there is no room for neochivalry, in any sense of the word, in government, social policy or institutional policy.

My response is, do whatever you want with your own family, but if you want to apply that sort of thing in politics or at my place of work: fuck you. And if you think I'm going to do it in my house, or if you think you are going to teach my kids that crap, fuck you too. And if you think my sons are going to step aside for your daughters, fuck you again. And if you think you're going to block a man's way from exiting a sinking ship because you think the "ladies" should exit first, you're going to get a big, fat fist in your face. And if your girlfriend thinks she shouldn't be on the same basis for being conscripted into combat (because insert stupid reason here _ ) fuck her too.

As I have said before, other more original notions of the word chivalry are obsolete and not worthy of current discussion. This has been known for a long time.

Earnest Belfort Bax, written in 1913:

It would be idle, of course, to insist upon the historical definition of the term. Language develops and words in course of time depart widely from their original connotation, so that etymology alone is seldom of much value in practically determining the definition of words in their application at the present day. But the fact is none the less worthy of note that only a fragment of the original connotation of the word chivalry is covered by the term as used in our time, and that even that fragment is torn from its original connection and is made to serve as a scarecrow in the field of public opinion to intimidate all who refuse to act upon, or who protest against, the privileges and immunities of the female sex.

I have said that even that subsidiary element in the old original notion of chivalry which is now well-nigh the only surviving remnant of its original connotation is torn from its connection and hence has necessarily become radically changed in its meaning. From being part of a general code of manners enjoined upon a particular guild or profession it has been degraded to mean the exclusive right in one sex guaranteed by law and custom to certain advantages and exemptions without any corresponding responsibility. Let us make no mistake about this. When the limelight of a little plain but critical common-sense is turned upon this notion of chivalry hitherto regarded as so sacrosanct, it is seen to be but a poor thing after all; and when men have acquired the habit of habitually turning the light of such criticism upon it, the accusation, so terrible in the present state of public opinion, of being “unchivalrous” will lose its terrors for them. In the so-called ages of chivalry themselves it never meant, as it does to-day, the woman right or wrong. It never meant as it does to-day the general legal and social privilege of sex. It never meant a social defence or a legal exoneration for the bad and even the criminal woman, simply because she is a woman. It meant none of these things.

http://ernestbelfortbax.com/2014/01/26/5-the-chivalry-fake/

Title	Masculinity: Real Chivalry is Dead
Author	HiberniaSon
Upvotes	4
Comments	3
Date	June 18, 2016 4:24 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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