Women attempt suicide; whist men are prone to "self-violence". Even when we kill ourselves, men are "violent".

icefire54 · 2016-02-06T08:15:01+00:00

There's nothing wrong with addressing female suicide, even if they do commit it less. However, using attempted suicides to paint women as bigger victims is dishonest. Warren Farrell has said that women attempt suicide to get help from others. There are also forms of accidents that men get into more often that aren't counted as attempted suicides.

Warren Farrell's statements about that were confirmed a while after that.

"An attempted suicide is not really an attempt at suicide in about 95 percent of cases. It is a different phenomenon. It's most often an effort to bring someone's attention, dramatically, to a problem that the individual feels needs to be solved. Suicide contains a solution in itself,"

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/11/981112075159.htm

In other words, women are more likely to attempt suicide to get people to do things for them.

Warren Farrell also went over why more women report being depressed. It's all in his book The Myth of Male Power.

Mitschu · 2016-02-07T02:47:58+00:00

Here we go again.

There's no longer any grounds for plausible deniability. Pundits have been telling the media since practically the day of the first ever statistic to focus on the big picture, not the microscope, or else everything will seem more imminently looming and threatening.

Today, one black man committed suicide. Tomorrow, one white man commits suicide. To a normal person, those are both simple tragedies. To a journalist looking at the two-day trend, "black suicide rates plummet as white rates equally skyrocket, with white male rates in particular hitting the known ceiling! Third parties who I don't have to mention explicitly claim that this correlation is definitely causation."

Enough.

In the UK, the number of young girls and women committing suicide has risen by a third.

The shock! The appall! The horror!

I will bet you my goddamn Reddit account right here, blind to the real numbers, that women's actual suicide rates are a negligible fraction of a fraction, and that this touted and dramatic "a third" really means something more like "from 10% to 13% of all suicides."

Ready for my password? Okay, I'll start typing it out on... wait a second.

I don't even have to open a new tab, I just have to read the next goddamn sentence.

In 2014, 1,181 women killed themselves: a record number.

Men's suicide rates in the UK, I can tell you from memory, is measured at "25 per 100,000". Out of a population of 64,100,000. Translated, that's some 16,025. When we throw in this incredible, undeniably high "record setting" number of women, men are still 93.1% of the victims.

From 5.4% -> 6.9% is that big scary "one third" increase they're panicking about. A 1.5% increase. 6.9% is a record high.

I actually generously over-estimated. My Reddit account is safe for another day.

Ooshkii · 2016-02-06T07:07:50+00:00

Painted one way, I agree this is a problem. However, I do somewhat think that this might be a useful distinction in regards to arguing over suicide statistics. Sure there are more woman who attempt suicide, but they don't seem to have an actual interest in causing themselves harm. Men, on the other hand, more often commit suicide specifically to harm or eliminate themselves.

I know that this was the reason for me.

RedBigMan · 2016-02-06T16:38:05+00:00

Of course it's violent because you are denying a woman continued access to your resources for the rest of your life.

I can understand why guys would kill themselves. Living out of the back of their car. Getting behind on alimony and/or child support payments for kids that might not even be his own. Getting thrown in jail for non-payment and losing the job you already had... etc.

Put enough weight on even a man's back and it will break sooner or later. Which makes the decision so much easier. Why work for 20 years when you are never going to see any benefit for all that work it's far easier to just opt out permanently and let the ungrateful bitch deal with the mess you leave behind.

aesopstortoise · 2016-02-06T08:16:38+00:00

Over reaction on this one. First, men kill themselves more often via firearms and hanging. That is a violent way to die in any measure of the word, and easily more violent than pills or carbon monoxide poisoning which is preferred by women.

Second, the person who wrote the article is the director of a women's organization so it is to be expected that the subject is focused on suicide by women.

Third, the author does acknowledge men in the article most notably in the closing remarks.

Make no mistake, if we don’t start providing a gender-sensitive response for women as well as men, we will continue to fail not just this generation but also the next.

Title	Women attempt suicide; whist men are prone to "self-violence". Even when we kill ourselves, men are "violent".
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Date	February 6, 2016 5:00 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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Enough.