What (the fuck) do you think of the mind behind the sadistic Stanford prison experiment offering his opinion on "the demise of guys"?

Tedesche · 2016-01-27T07:07:08+00:00

Phillip Zimbardo is something of an attention whore and celebrity psychologist—he's nowhere near the level of, say, Dr. Phil, but he's not exactly your unassuming psychological researcher who just wants their research to be published, but doesn't cherish the limelight. Zimbardo definitely loves the limelight.

He's also not above distoring the truth—after the Stanford Prison Experiment, he claimed it as an accomplishment that he stopped the experiment, but the truth of the matter was he had to be convinced to stop it by others involved; he was initially fine with letting the experiment continue.

I suppose I am glad that he's at least investigating the problem, but he seems to be assuming that the problem lies with men & boys, rather than the education system and society. This is obviously the standard line of thinking when most non-MRAs approach these issues, and I see it as a consequence of the age-old gender view of men being independent and able to solve their own problems. In other words, if boys are suffering in school, it must be because they're fucking up, and we need to see what bad choices they're making and correct them. A healthier and more accurate approach would be to look at the educational and social environments of these boys, and to identify ways in which said environments are adversely affecting them. Personally, I think a major contributor to the problem is the growing lack of father figures in families these days. If/when that gets looked at, I sincerely hope we don't further demonize these men as "deadbeat dads" and consider the ways in which these men may have been driven from fatherhood, rather than just assume they chose to abandon it.

Society still likes to look at men as actors rather than acted-upon; until we get over that bias, we're going to fail to help men and boys.

MrFlesh · 2016-01-27T07:48:44+00:00

Theres nothing mysterious about why boys are falling behind, late 80s early 90s the education system was fundementally changed to eliminate teaching methods that were "unfair" to girls. Competition, solo work, statistical improvement and objective grading were all minimized if not outright done away with. At the same time common verbage was changed in media. Everyone use to say "i think" now everyone says "i feel". A lot of media also changed to portay men as bumbling bufoons, crazy, evil, creepy and/or ineffectual. Meanwhile the demonization or dismissal of men was racheted up.

So men are quiting. They are not marrying in increasing numbes, they are not reproducing in increasing numbers, they are not joining the corporate rat race in increasing numbers, they are inventing less and buildingless. And women are not taking up the slack. The more educated and older a woman is the more likely she wants to bow out of corporate life and despite pushes to diversify stem the needle has barely moved. Whats it all mean? I dont know. My favorite conspiracy theory is population reduction.

BernieAmmo · 2016-01-27T11:40:31+00:00

I feel like he was limited by his audience, there is A LOT more compelling data than was presented. You felt his anxiety discussing such a topic. PC today is like blasphemy in the olden days, or so it feels.

You know I read the comments here and it echo's my sentiments quite well and what I perceive. Is it normal that I lack words to describe this confusion inside of me? What is a family now, what is a man? What is the purpose of my life if I am to have children and have them taken away from me while I still need to provide?

I lack the proper words, I think that due to lessened exposure to these topics my vocabulary is limited, but I do feel confident saying this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Title	What (the fuck) do you think of the mind behind the sadistic Stanford prison experiment offering his opinion on "the demise of guys"?
Author	RobDog101
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Date	January 27, 2016 5:43 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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