2 teachers admit campout sex with teens, get probation

dufus69 · 2015-11-19T19:29:01+00:00

Honestly I don't see this as a pussy pass, They lost their teaching credentials for having sex with two of age men. I get the aider and abettor argument but feel that should be up to the employer or licensing board to enforce, not Law enforcement. to me for law enforcement it should be clear a cut sex with a minor situation.

I personally know of this exact situation in my home town that occurred when I was in High school. One of the male coaches had sex with a 16 year old, age of consent, female student. He basically received the exact same punishment. The really messed up part is he was the Youth director at his church and married with 2 very young children.

crackrox69 · 2015-11-19T21:40:10+00:00

The blonde one is married...poor guy:/

SgtScream · 2015-11-20T00:30:21+00:00

And Jared got 15 years. lol. Unless I am mistaken... he paid for sex with minors? (16 year old... which isnt even illegal in Canada..) Not saying its ok.. but its a lot better than being in a position of power and providing drugs to help.

Sigh.

jquest23 · 2015-11-20T02:04:38+00:00

One thing it's true. Women who are pedos get off.

xpostfact · 2015-12-03T04:50:30+00:00

You've got to be shitting me, this is blatant pussypass by Deputy District Attorney Kristin Bracic, and the author of the article, Ken Stone, along with lanews.com. I'll detail this step by step.

1. The convicted criminals took responsibility early?

The two women were also rewarded for taking responsibility for their crimes relatively early in the legal process, Bracic said.

I've got to put this first, since it's perhaps the most important to the case and should be clear that these women first pleaded not guilty: "Teachers deny sex charges involving student on San Clemente beach trip".

Yet this article makes it seem like these women confessed right away and had instant regret, and this article doesn't mention this fact. You've got to read that article for better details, including the fact that she knew the kid was 17.

2. Conflating the actual sex crime of the 17 year old by repeatedly mentioning the 18 year old.

Although Lippert slept with someone who was 18, she was still charged with statutory rape as an “aider and abettor” of Ghirelli’s underage sex crime, Bracic said.

Described in terms of an excuse and emphasis on the age "18" which diminishes the statutory rape of the 17 year old.

Lippert was the “matchmaker” for Ghirelli, who had sex with a 17-year- old boy.

This is the kicker. Men are called pimps or co-conspirator or something. When was the last time two older adult men took advantage of younger women and one was called a "matchmaker"?

“The number one thing here is the victims are 17- and 18-year-old boys who are graduating next week and they just wanted to close this chapter in their lives as quickly as possible,” Bracic said, explaining why the plea deal was struck with the defendants. “They were happy to get it done once and for all.”

First of all, the 18 year old is NOT a victim in the eyes of the law, so why say that? Next, so the 17 year old boy, who was a VICTIM, felt shamed, and so the best way to deal with that shame is "get it over with quickly"??? What the hell type of support was given to this 17 year old young men to assert his right to pursue justice?

Also note, the entire thing is worded as "two teens" when, in fact, the only victim was the 17 year old! They are conflating and reducing the crime against the 17 year old by continually including him along with the 18 year old. To be clear, the 18 year old is an adult and is NOT a victim here. Not from the point of view of the law, in which he's a legal adult. If it was only the 18 year old, there would have been no sex charges at all in this case.

3. Marginalizing the criminal behavior and victim blaming.

“They acted foolish in this isolated incident,” Bracic said, adding that the sex-offender registration requirement should be reserved for “sexual predators.”

Again, the wording here diminishes their actions as "foolish".

“I know everyone looks at this like they were getting high fives in the hallway, but they were absolutely mortified and embarrassed,” Bracic said.

Why does Deputy District Attorney Kristin Bracic suggest that "everyone" looks at this as a non-crime? This marginalizes the crime and the victim. Furthermore, "absolutely mortified and embarrassed" is hardly the words one typically uses for statutory rape. Also note "embarassed" has a connotation of guilt. Deputy District Attorney Kristin Bracic is shaming the victim here.

Also, take a look at how a Google search shows how "mortified and embarrassed" is typically used. Here's a few random selections:

Snapchat CEO Evan Spiegel 'mortified and embarrassed' by s sexist, derogatory emails.

He's mortified and embarrassed that his own emails were released to the public.
I feel so mortified and embarrassed about this what should i do? This was two months ago in high school (I'm 16) and I was talking to my friend who was supposed to be fasting in the gym. I asked her about her fasting while I was eating something. I didn't intend it that way, but someone said I was being rude.

He/she is mortified and embarrassed at doing something thought to be rude.

4. More shyte.

Lippert’s attorney, Leonard Levine, said his client is “ashamed and embarrassed by her actions for which she takes full responsibility. It cost her a promising and up to this point successful teaching career, and now she wants to move on to be a loving mother, wife and lead a productive life. And she’s very sorry for what has occurred.”

Note the similarity between "ashamed and embarrassed" and "mortified and embarrassed". Also, it's incredibly conciliatory to the convicted felon for the article to allow such a glowing and self promotion description.

5. Falsehoods promoted by lanews.com and Ken Stone (the author)

Ghirelli’s attorney, Stephan DeSales, previously told City News Service that his client is “devastated” and that it was not altogether clear to her that the victim was underage.

“There was a lot of stuff going on and it was not clear what the age of this kid was when whatever happened happened,” DeSales said.

The prior article indicates "Cell phone records also helped convince investigators that Ghirelli knew the boy was 17, [Deputy District Attorney Birac] said." The author of this newer article continues:

“She’s totally devastated,” DeSales said of his client. “She’s a sweet person, a very nice person who was getting her master’s degree at Cal Poly Pomona and now that’s all gone.”

fucky_fucky · 2015-11-20T00:58:40+00:00

So what.

Title	2 teachers admit campout sex with teens, get probation
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Date	November 19, 2015 6:09 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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