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Feminism, Appropriation of Young Minds.

JimmyAJames

November 26, 2015
23 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.vicnews.com/news/353747451.html?mobile=true
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Title Feminism, Appropriation of Young Minds.
Author

JimmyAJames

Upvotes 23
Comments 10
Date November 26, 2015 4:48 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3ud48v/feminism_appropriation_of_young_minds/
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Comments

[–]JimmyAJames[S] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I read this article and its disturbing in some sense that these girls, while noble in their attempts at self-empowerment and knowledge, they will still fail to completely understand feminism-namely that its a social movement, with political motivations, and is a form of power- just the same as an 'ism'- So instead of learning empowerment in classes I see high school students being told what to think, just the same as how they explicate masculinities/patriarchy-semantic discourses.

It is good to discuss how 'masculinity has affected their lives,'; but in this context they are going to compare and judge their peers not to critical thinking skills, but collectivist propaganda- I shortened the last bit to tell you how I really think. I think gender relations are pretty good in this country, but there are a large segment of the population being hindered by the constant ideological hegemonic struggle..

We seem to live in dangerous politically correct times, where speaking out of place or in opposition to entrenched cultural ideas can be an ”unpopular” move; (I originally commented on facebook-bad idea) moreover, there is a severe, and almost automatic attempt to shame or dismiss unpopular opinions even before the ideas become ripened in one’s mind- The opposite is critical thinking. Perhaps we can expand the dialogue attributed to some feminist thought into a more encompassing gender relations category, so as not to reiterate a one sided gender narrative conducive only to feminist ideology.

I know my opinion is not popular, but sparking a little debate about the efficacy of feminism is a good thing- and I am happy to acknowledge some of the reasons ‘why I am not a feminist’, in order to add substance to the milieu of the gender equality narrative. Moreover, if you have continued reading so far, and haven’t callously commented on the section below with errant rebuttals regarding the use of my word play and not the substance, then perhaps I will explain why feminism, in this case, is the antithesis to equal gender relations and in this context should be criticized as an educational tool. Of course here is where most people begin to conflate their lived experiences with whatever “facts” that they have learned to justify their own ideology and entrenched vested interest in this course of thought- of course I am not innocent in this department, but no one is.

In a historical context, feminism has had a role to play in intellectual challenges to contemporary thought regarding the equality of gender relations- But it does not get to appropriate, as it seems to have done, the moral equanimity of gender relations all to itself- and if it does it becomes the very vehicle it has tried to stop. Moreover, feminism moves on the premise of a male oppression archetype, or ‘inequality’ threshold based on economic questions, etc. Regardless of whatever facts exists or don’t exist, this is perhaps my biggest criticism of feminism, in that it neglects and assumes half the equation; from which I argue feminists need to understand, that the lived experience of men, or masculinities does not correspond to most feminist portraits of Canadian society or economy- .

That is why I would call for an end to the one sided dominance of feminism in its privileged role of constructing concepts of gender equality. PS. I think it is very important to empower all people regardless of race, sex, etc.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My god, someone gets it.... I wish more people on the sub (or more people who comment...) could articulate these ideas as intellectually as you have. Bring on the sanity!

[–]192873982 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree.

Professional jargon usually adds precision, while shortening the text, which makes things easier to understand if you know the jargon. Otherwise it prevents you from understanding.

Intellectual language on the other hand doesn't increase the precision of language at all, but makes it harder to understand. The only reason to use intellectual language is to sound smart and make a good impression on some people.

I wished more intellectual people would stick to easier language, because the focus should not be to sound smart, but to deliver the topic. This is actually done more effective with easy language.

[–]Blutarg 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Feminism isn't hateful". Then, in a few years, these girls will be in college, screaming at men who don't want to take a "teach men not to rape" class.

[–]try_so_serious 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is the cause of unhappiness among modern women. They will realize this sooner or later. I truly believe that this cunty version of feminism will stop once most women realize how miserable feminists really are. Just hang in there and don't get accused of rape guys! Always have an alibi, if you are going to have sex VIDEO TAPE IT LIKE A FUCKING CREEP! Don't let her know. VIDEO TAPE EVERYTHING that happens in your house. Never be alone with a woman if you are not being taped.

[–]JimmyAJames[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Um...I am going to exercise my right to criticize what you say. You are not going to get upset with me, but instead you are going to think about the words I am using, and respond appropriately- i.e. no shaming. Because we have the same context, that our goal of challenging feminism is a noble one. But in your case challenging feminism would be better if you didn't view them as cunts, but as intellectually misguided, although they may sometimes act like 'cunts' from this perspective-very strong trigger word. So a more appropriate challenge to feminism is one that counters it only at the highest intellectual level, and that this requires less cunty talk and more understanding of the processes of language and word use to counter the basic philosophies put forth via feminism. But I can understand your frustration. Video taping everything is just leading to paranoia man- I am not some Orwellian being, so I am not going to do that.

[–]try_so_serious 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with you. Good on you for having a cool head. I was mostly joking though.

But:

I did not call any human a cunt(in that paragraph). I called their beliefs cunty.

I do believe that the majority of people who identify as feminists are not the militant(cunty) kind.

I do believe that Feminism is the cause of unhappiness among modern women.

[–]JimmyAJames[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better on you for not calling me out too much on my cunty behavior. haha, I got you completely; perhaps, it is the trickster mind-set, I would argue which is more of a masculine-like-trait, which endeavours to subvert emotional responses to logic ones, and transcend both in a dialectical fashion, towards a better and more constructive-positive, and intuitive dialogue, discourse.

Unfortunately, but for my intellectual benefit, I have come from a predominantly left-social justice, intellectual side academia where language use, syntax, and the proper use of grammar, were requisitioned by a large majority of feminists, and their ilk. So I know cunty behavior all too well, I just use different words and meanings to describe them.

I think you are correct in all three of your assumptions. But if this was a battle of the minds, for which it is in a sense, you would still need to distinguish all the factors and variables of militancy and unhappiness in the sociological and psychological world which constructs these concepts.

This includes also interpreting differences in the cultural, economy, ideology of feminism and its impact on structures and institutions, including politics, education, etc. Moreover, if you want to get really personal with the feminist literature, but more simply, feminist logic, identify the biological and psychological differences, then you are fucked btw.

Either way, my biggest explanation as to 'why I am not a feminist' and to why feminism is a deconstructive social force, is because: Feminism, assumes the ultimate construction of a difference between men and women, difference in sex and gender: This notable difference is exceptional, but this does not mean feminism equals gender equality, nor does it bring equanimity to the subject. Moreover, feminism is an obvious political and social movement, with a well structured and diverse discourse and ideology,( here I argue structural power dynamics as considered from a feminists pov. to be in error in some ways).

Hence, feminism political bias does not aim, because it philosophically cant, to create gender equality, and thus a better term for uncovering understanding regarding gender equality, is by combining feminism and masculinities into one study, in and of itself-namely-gender studies and not feminism.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Privileged white cunts who think they are the worlds biggest victims. Disgusting.

Some students even felt threatened walking into their school.

Jeez and I assume boys feel great walking into a school with feminist hate messages promoted everywhere.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not relevant to this sub.

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